How Strong is Luffy? DEBUNKED

Normally I don’t have a problem with Seth the Programmer’s videos but I have to call bullshit on his scaling here and there are multiple flaws with the scaling with the Luffy feat here.https://www.youtube.com/embed/NCmp0wVAvOI?autoplay=0&enablejsapi=1

1) Luffy isn’t Lightspeed Period

I’ve heard my tale of bullshit from One Piece Wankers but this is one of the biggest wanked feats I’ve heard.  

For example, the claim Kafila is Lightning Speed level because she dodged Nami’s Lighting attacks.

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Yet not only did she get tagged by Lightning and beaten by it.https://www.youtube.com/embed/Qdu89uX58SI?autoplay=0&enablejsapi=1

She got blitzed by Sanji who wasn’t anywhere close to Lightning Speed and wasn’t even close to fighting her seriously and mind you doesn’t hit women so he wasn’t close to fighting at full power.https://www.youtube.com/embed/b-M_155JSlU?autoplay=0&enablejsapi=1

There’s also zero chance any of the Strawhats are Lightning speed level given Sanji’s Diable Jambe made him at best Mach 26 and he’s the fastest of the Strawhat and Jabba>>>Kafila,the weakest of the CP9 combatants so no way Kafila has a faster speed feat than Sanji.

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This is what people call Aimdoging, Aim Dodging refers to the technique of avoiding linear attacks by re-positioning oneself away from the path of the attack before it is fired. This is how for example Batman, established to have no powers can aim-dodge bullets with his low combat and travel speed

So when you combine the fact that Nami was established to have barely above average speed in Pre Skip.

Along with the fact that Kafila was much slower than Sanji.

Who couldn’t outrun Lightning level attacks, this debunks the bullshit pushed by VS Battle Wiki that One Piece Pre Skip characters.

But this is a level of bullshit I’ve heard that far exceeds any One Piece wank I’ve heard. Lightpseed and FTL One Peice?

Yeah, there are several major problems with using Foxy as a Lightspeed source. Eeneru Alone shits on the idea that Pre Timeskip Luffy is “Lightspeed”. Hell, he comfortably shits on the idea of Pre Timeskip Luffy and Monster Tiro even being Massively Hypersonic.

None of the Strawhats could even keep up with Eneru’s speed who uses actual Lightning to travel, this is especially evident by the fact that neither Zoro or Sanji who are on par with Luffy could even come close to dodging Eneeru’s attacks. Zoro who was extremely bloodlusted attempted to Kill Eneru only for Eneeru to Trollstomp him in a massive speed blitz frying Zoro before he could even come close to reacting.

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Hell Zoro got BTFO’D by Eneeru’s Lightning speed attacks twice. 

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Again both times a full power bloodlusted Zorohttps://www.youtube.com/embed/d-H-wzjFNAk?autoplay=0&enablejsapi=1

And Sanji who was so helpless to dodge Eneeru’s attacks simply took the attack despite Sanji being the fastest of the Strawhats. Granted he went down like a badass but still, you see my point, no Strawhat was even remotely Massively Hypersonic or Lightning timer much less FTL.

Claiming Luffy is Lightspeed because Foxy can slow down protons is like claiming Haku is Lightspeed because of the Fourth Databook of Naruto because he uses “Mirrors”

Or claiming Lucy is Faster than Light because she dodged “Lasers”.

Going by Seth’s Logic, Naruto is moving at Dragon Ball Super Speeds EoS given that Haku is much much weaker than Naruto from the battle with Kaguya which is just bullshit in itself.

Also, Kizaru is literally a top tier and can turn his body into Photons and in the Author’s own words and writing is the Fastest One Piece character if we’re talking about Author intent, then Kizaru’s Lightspeed would be merely nothing special as opposed to the fastest speed in the verse. If you ask Oda who is the fastest character and why it would be Kizaru and as described by Kizaru’s Devil Fruit “Nothing is faster than Light”, this is an example of Author intent.

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Kizaru possesses the power of the Pika Pika no Mi, meaning ‘glimmer’ or ‘light’, a Logia-type Devil Fruit that grants him the powers of the element of light. As a Logia-user, he is able to let objects pass through him and reconstruct his body from energy particles. He is capable of moving and attacking at the speed of light, and all of his attacks are based on the element of light, such as firing energy blasts from his fingertips or feet with extreme accuracy and precision. His power is very destructive, causing huge explosions and can easily destroy buildings. He also has the ability to reflect himself, essentially moving from one location to the next at the speed of light. Due to this fruit’s power, Kizaru is possibly the fastest man in the world.

Borsalino has so far been shown using this fruit to travel at the speed of light (to the point of stating that Monkey D. Luffy in his Gear Second mode was “too slow”),[6] and to also drastically augment his kicks’ strength and speed. Even though he travels in light speed when mobile, it should be noted that it takes a few seconds for him to actually go into light speed, as Silvers Rayleigh was able to stop his movement by slashing at him with his sword and Borsalino had to stop to counter him.

Borsalino has been using his fruit’s powers to launch powerful light-energy beam attacks at high speeds from his legs that can cause tremendous explosions. When shot from the fingers, the beams take on a piercing effect instead. He can blind and stun his opponents by emitting a large but quick burst of light from his fingers, similar to a flash grenade. He can also form a beam sword out of pure light. His Devil Fruit was further researched by Doctor Vegapunk, who technologically recreated his laser blasts in the PacifistaBartholomew Kuma and his likeness.[7] This technology was also used by Franky when modifying his cyborg body.

In other words, the notion that other characters are Lightspeed or FTL is completely debunked using the author statements and intent. It would be completely far fetched to think that Luffy is FTL yet was effortlessly blitzed by Kizaru and even more lusrcious to think anyone is faster than light yet Kizaru who’s literally confirmed at lightspeed to be FTL.

The only character that arguably is also Lightspeed with any qauntinafable scaling or feats is Kuma but it’s clear he was holding back for one, it’s very doubtful an attack Zoro who can’t even outrun Lightning is going to evade a projectile that’s actually moving at lightspeed.

For attacks to be considered Actual Lightspeed it must meet several requirements.

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Most lasers in fiction are not real or provable as real. Often they are supernatural in nature and do not function anywhere close to how real light should. Therefore, lasers/light beams are only accepted as real if they meet, at a minimum, a few of these criteria:

  • The beam refracts in a new material, such as a liquid or…
  • The beam reflects off a material that it can be expected to, such as a non-magical mirror
  • The beam is called lightspeed by reliable sources
  • It is stated to be made of photons or light itself, again by a reliable source
  • It has its origin at a realistic source of light, such as a camera

Furthermore, there are a few criteria which show a beam is NOT real light:

  • It is shown at different speeds in the same material
  • It is tangible and can be interacted with physically by normal humans
  • They do not travel in straight lines (unless you can prove refraction/reflection, see above)

Let’s see if the Foxy abilities stand up to method of test.

Foxy ate the Devil Fruit the Noro Noro no Mi which allows him to fire microscopic particles as beams of light that can slow down his enemies or other objects for 30 seconds (he demonstrates this by slowing down a cannon ball fired at him, only to get hit by the cannonball anyway when he was gloating over its power for too long). When he cheats, he frequently uses these powers to increase the impact of his attacks or stop his opponents in their tracks. Luffy manages to beat this power by using a shard from a mirror he found on Foxy’s ship, reflecting the Noroma photons back at him, then delivering a final blow with a 30 second delay.

  • The beam refracts in a new material, such as a liquid or…
  • The beam reflects off a material that it can be expected to, such as a non-magical mirror Check 
  • The beam is called lightspeed by reliable sources not confrimed 
  • It is stated to be made of photons or light itself, again by a reliable source check
  • It has its origin at a realistic source of light, such as a camera nope

Addimtitely Foxy’s attacks almost reach the definitions of Lightspeed attacks, but then again so does Haku by this same standard however they’re also this.

Furthermore, there are a few criteria which show a beam is NOT real light:

  • It is shown at different speeds in the same material
  • It is tangible and can be interacted with physically by normal humans
  • They do not travel in straight lines (unless you can prove refraction/reflection, see above)

The fact Foxy can curve his attacks debunks it being Lightspeed because Pure Light can’t curve so it’s not a qaunftiable Lightspeed feat in the slightest.

By this standard of evidence presented, Sting is FTL because he can use “Light” as attacks, this is completely debunked by the fact that Sting can curve his Light Beams.

Furthermore, his Lightspeed is entirely inconsistent given it could barely tag Pre Water 7 Arc Luffy Who has reflexes far slower than Lightning?https://www.youtube.com/embed/26_zKe9SKas?autoplay=0&enablejsapi=1

Who had characters on par with him completely bltizstomped by Lightning. Hell if it wasn’t for the fact Luffy was made of Rubber, Eneru would’ve effortlessly ended the strawhats where they stood.

A much better and far more qaunitfabile Lightspeed and FTL feat would be Black Clover in which you have Asta who actually dodged Light fromGluche, granted one can argue the feat is iffy given he’s using magical mirrors but there’s far more evidence on that factor

Especially when Asta is probably faster than Lightning already to as fast going by Luck’s speed and him evading Lightning.

You have a later character reafrimming that Light Speed attacks are a thing within the verse.

And Light deflected from a mirror ablet a magical mirror.

And so far nothing within Black Clover speeds seem to contradict this. The only arugment I have at least so far is that the characters in Black clover by far seem too weak to handle actual Lightspeed or FTL movements and have shown no attack potency or durability feats that would put them anywhere close to handling moving at Lightspeed.

Then again it’s a recent manga, after all, if we simply went by the few feats in Naruto during the Hurizen and Former Kages battle, you would merely think they’re only Muilty City Block level at best going by the fact they’ve only shown Multi-city block level feats in that fight

Whereas much later on these same Kage are able to casually outclass current kages who are Country busters with Hashirama being able to stop the Juubi almost single-handedly. So for Black Clover, it’s hard to tell how strong characters are at this point so early into the series and it still remains debatable whether they’re truly FTL, after all, no source seems to contradict this in the slightest so until I see more from Black Clover, I reserve judgment on whether they can beat Kizaru.

Even so, there’s far more evidence of Black Clover’s Lightspeed feats than I can say for One Piece in which Foxy’s “Lightspeed” attacks curve when used and Author Statements only have Kizaru be the only confirmed character with FTL speed.

My point is if Enereu is too fast for you, there’s zero chance in hell you’re dodging Light. The main requirement at least for me to take “Lightspeed” seriously is if you can at the very least be faster than Lightning, which we all know at least Pre Timeskip One Piece characters CAN’T DO!

Seth is right on one thing, this attack comes closer than most to register as a Light Speed attack but no cigar It has the intangible aspects and being reflected by mirrors aspect but it can be curved and it’s contradicted by inconsistent speeds so it’s not a qaunitaftable Lightspeed move, especially by all accounts Foxy is nowhere close to Lightning Speed much less Light speed.

Also to actually move at Lightspeed and not be completely be reduced to ash is also very important to understand Lightspeed Physics and why it utterly fails within what we know within One Piece.

800.679888 j=180 lb/81.646kg man weight

Gravity:9.81 m/s2=1g

Speed of Light= 299,792,458 m/s

Gravity of Light speed:30,559,883.6g’s

81.646 kgx30,559,883

2,495,092,255.440163 kgx8.987551787368176e+16×800.68

1.795506553220861e+29 joule = 42 913 636 549 000 megaton [explosive]

for a human to move at lightspeed constantly, they need to generate over 42 Trillion Megatons of TNT  energy per second and withstand said energy. That is the equipment of over 858,272,730,980 Tsar Bombas. That’s 114 Tsar Bombas for literally every human being that lives on earth. That would be roughly 42.9 Exatons of TNT, roughly 1.5 times the power needed to destroy the moon and this is merely  42.9 Extatons per second.

There is also acceleration that is a factor as well. Gravity is not just constant gravitational pull but also the acceleration force of objects. A human can only survive up to 982 m/s² or 100 g’s of acceleration before dying or roughly 3 times the speed of sound. This means that a person needs to survive at least 314,642.85 g’s or nearly the surface gravity of a White Dwarf Star moving at the speed of light.

Normal humans can withstand no more than 9 g’s, and even that for only a few seconds. When undergoing an acceleration of 9 g’s, your body feels nine times heavier than usual, blood rushes to the feet, and the heart can’t pump hard enough to bring this heavier blood to the brain. Your vision narrows to a tunnel, then goes black. If the acceleration doesn’t decrease, you will pass out and finally die. The Air Force’s F-16 can produce more g’s than the human body can survive. We’re forced to limit the acceleration of planes and spacecraft to a level humans can survive.

If we need to accelerate for extended periods, the level we can withstand is even lower. We can withstand 5 g’s for only two minutes, 3 g’s for only an hour. For the sake of argument, though, let’s try to tough it out at 3 g’s for a little longer. For Han to take off from Mos Eisley and accelerate at 3 g’s to half the speed of light would take him two and a half months—hardly the makings of an exciting movie. Even at 9 g’s, it would take him nineteen days to reach half the speed of light, though he’d be dead long before the ship reached that speed.

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In other words to even move at Lightspeed and not die, the bare minimum Attack Potency and durability a character must have is at least Moon level Per Second energy output. At the very low end of this, you would need at least 55 Teratons of durability and energy output per second to even survive the effects of traveling Lightspeed and this would double much further the faster you move.

Going to Naruto for a bit, it’s outright stated in Naruto that Lightspeed movement is outright impossible for most characters to do without violently being ripped to pieces by the force of traveling Lightspeed and only someone with the Iron Body of the Raikages could tank that. This would fit within the very bare minimum of the durability of 55 Teratons of TNT needed to handle Lightspeed acceleration.

A higher end example of this would be Dragon Ball Z in which Raditz evaded Special Beam Canon which by powerscaling alone to Piccolo’s under 5 second Moon Buster should be Lightspeed bare minimum.

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Given the moon busting feat took 5 seconds to hit the moon which is at least 0.20% c or 1/5th the speed of Light and Special Beam canon is easily 5 times faster than a charged Ki Blast. Considering Piccolo’s Moon level attack is within Small planet level busting scales, the higher end to handle Lightspeed travel is at least 42 Extatons of energy per second. Considering Piccolo’s weighted clothing shot a blast that’s worth between 17.43 Zettatons and Radtiz who’s at least Small Planet level powerscaling tanked the same blast, this would fit consistently with the bare minimum durability to survive Lightspeed travel on a higher end level. 

As for FTL because of dodging “Lasers” as said with Zoro’s dodging feat or the Pasfsictas, allow me to debunk that as well.

1)Lasers=/=Lightspeed

 dodging a laser doesn’t make you FTL and before you claim these lasers are made from Kizaru’s Devil Fruit, these Pascisftcas are nowhere close to as powerful as Kuma let alone Kizaru so this argument already fails.

The Power of an Ex Admiral

I figure since we covered Brandish’s feats within her introduction, we cover another lazy yet overpowered character who’s within the Top Electhons of power, this time within the One Piece verse, none other than the legendary Ex Adriminal Kuzan Akoji, one of the most powerful black men in Anime.

Before Brandish casually destroyed a whole Island.

Akoji casually created a island sized pathway of Ice across a very long island.

So in the sprit of Brandish, we’re going to calc this and see how it measures up with the afformeitoned feats as well as some other feats from Akoji’

To first determine the scale of AKoji’s power’s we must determine how big is Long Ring Island actually is compared to the world map of One Piece. We’re using the same size and scale of our world with that of the One Piece world unless Echirdrio Oda confirms the One Piece world to be much larger than our world.

Sadly it’s hard to find the island Long Ring Island within the official one Piece ma

As I’ve shown before within my Adrimal blog of Akoji’s raw power, Akoji is fairly casual Country buster going by his feat in Long Ring Long Island, powerscaling Kizaru is easily this strong.

Contrast that to Pasfsictas who barely tanked Town level attacks from the combined assault of the Monster Trio and all the Strawhats combined.

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And at best only 5 times more durable than Frankly who tanked a 4 Kiloton Nuke to the face.https://www.youtube.com/embed/F-k27g4MXXY?autoplay=0&enablejsapi=1

Whereas the very same Kizaru casually stomped the same Strawhats barely even trying.

So it’s a fallacy to claim the lasers are as fast or as strong as him when they’ve displayed nowhere close to the same feats.

It’s especially rddiclous to claim Foxy who couldn’t even beat Luffy in base eqauls even the Pascfsctias much less Kizaru.

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No disrespect to Ussop but Ussop is hardly above peak human speed wise, attack speed wise via his projectiles, he can fire them hypersonic speeds and outpace the speed and range of rifles but as for his own reflexes and combat speed, travel speed and reaction speed? Not even close to Hypersonic much less FTL. Neither is Nami going by the fact she barely handled Kafila who was at least Hypersonic+

So if these lasers can’t even tag Ussop, what thinks they’re remotely close to Lightspeed? Hell considering Ussop actually shot the Pasfscitas mouth before it can fire its lasers, are these lasers even above Hypersonic?

What’s even funnier is the fact that despite all being severely exhausted and weakened, they can all dodge a Pasifscita Laser, even Nami and Ussop. I guess an exhausted Nami and Ussop are also FTL by your logic, two human characters who’ve not even shown Supersonic speeds much less FTL.

3)Luffy was tagged by Dolfamingo’s Strings which are only as fast as Meteors which is far slower than Light.

4) Zoro was effortlessly blitzed by Kizaru.

Another counterargument to “Lightspeed” Lasers is Zoro 

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 Zoro, who is arguably one of the fastest strawhats who mind you can dodge Kuma’s lasers while severely weakened himself back in Thriller Bark(Which is honestly a much better argument for Lightspeed PTS strawhats despite the massive walls of evidence contradicting that)

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Was effortlessly biltzed by Kizaru, which again debunks the narrative that the lasers are remotely the same as Kizaru’s light beams and Zoro was just as severely weakened as he was back in Thriller Bark post-Oars battle and in fact in both battles suffering the exact same injuries so don’t give me this”weakened” arugment.

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And to further debunk your narrative further in basically stating that Kizaru’s lasers are not equivalent to Pascisfctia Lasers. Notice how all the Supernovas sans Uorge are able to react and counter Pascisfctia attacks.

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Yet when Kizaru attacked, none of them could even come close to reacting and Kizaru was holding back greatly against them.

Luffy is not lightspeed casually nor is any OP character. The only character proven to be Lightspeed is Kizaru and even then, he needs to set up his lightspeed teleportation which is arguably not even speed.

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Silvers Rayleigh has used Haki to bypass Borsalino’s intangibility and divert his attacks. Since his fruit is light-based, some of Kizaru’s attacks, like his lasers, can only travel in straight lines. Borsalino can only move at the speed of light when he, as mentioned above, shines a laser on his desired location to travel at the speed of light to, which does take some time to do. It is subject to the standard Devil Fruit weaknesses.

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He’s only lightspeed when using the Yata no Kamagai technique or using his Logia to evade attacks, his natural speed is only in the high massively Hypersonic level like all the other Admirals so it’s not like he can move at that speed without this technique anyways so Observation Haki doesn’t make you the same as the speed of Light. Also, Seth calims the Supernova’s reacted to Kizaru when these panels say otherwise, they weren’t aware close to noticing his speed and thought it was blinding light so they got effortlessly blitzstomped, not to mention Kizaru gave Appo a headstart before curb stomping him.

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If anything Rayleigh used Haki to prevent Kizaru from using his Logia and Rayleigh is comparable to Akainu and Akoji in speed, neither of them can actually move at lightspeed like Kizaru can with his Yata no Kamagai. You can argue that Rayleigh has at least Relativistic+ reaction speed via Haki given he preceived Kizaru’s Lightspeed movements via PreCog but that’s about it and Rayleigh>>>Most of One Piece.

The fact Foxy is even remotely close to Kizaru’s speed or that any character is FTL because of Foxy is utterly laughable and Seth should be ashamed of himself for making such shitty analysis, this is below his quality of work.

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Another debunk to FTL Luffy is the fact even in Gear Second, Luffy was far slower than Kizaru, it wasn’t even funny how one-sided that battle was. A full powered, bloodlusted Luffy couldn’t even come close to dodging Kizaru.

This is extremely poor research on Seth’s part which I find very disappointing considering, for the most part, he’s on point with power scaling but this was beyond piss poor research. We have enough issues with One Piece Wank, we don’t need retarded claims that Luffy is FTL because Foxy, a jobber nowhere close to Kizaru’s level is “Lightspeed”

At this point, you might as well tell me Erza is Moon level Pre Timeskip because she thought she could actually destroy the moon.

Luffy Dressora Arc isn’t Contintent level(OUTDATAED)

Due to my calcs on King Kong Gun, this statement is outdated.

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I don’t know where Seth pulled the Continent level feats from Luffy from but for what I’ve seen Luffy is nowhere near Continental level within Dressora. Then again I could be wrong. Let’s actually measure the Dressora feat aka do the calc of Luffy punching Dolfamingo through Dresssora

Ikusa-Tsunagi vs Pica size revisions

I figure I revise the scaling of  Ikusa-Tsunagi and rescale him and compare his size to that of Pica, his massive counterpart within One Peice for the lulz.

Summmoning 843 px ( 443.68421 meters ) Tree:38 px (20 meters)

Now for the summoning’s dimmesonsArmsx2Arm diameter: 1/6(73.95 meters)^2Arm Length: 2/ 6 (147.895 meters)Volume of Arms:808,

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m^3

ShouldersShoulder diameter: 170 px ( 89.4736841 meters )^2Width:24 px(12.631 meters)Volume of shoulders: 9,047,397.9836 m^3

Chest Length: 265 px (139.474 met

First we need a size for Dressroa which thankfully my recent Pica vs Ikatrugari journal has here. Pica is roughly 2112 meters tall.

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Pica’s size:177px(2112 m)

Plateau Height:113px(1348.34 m)

Plateau half width:93px (1,109.69m )

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That’s half the island’s Plateau size, going by Pica’s size, the Plateau’s full length is 2219.39 m

Dressrosa Plateau:45px(2219.39 m)

Dressrosa:605px(29,838.47 m)

So Dressora’s Island is roughly 29.83 Km wide and long or roughly 889.8289 sq km, that’s 100sqk km’s larger than New York City which is only 783.84 sq km in area. Now for the feat.

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Contrary to Seth’s scaling, Luffy didn’t split all of Dressora open, he spilt the entire town in half underneath the massive Plateau that Pica leveled and almost uplifted the whole Town as high as the Plateau itself and punched Dolamfingo as deep as the underground Trade Port which is as large as a whole city itself. Even so, this is extremely impressive given Dolfamingo deflected most of the force from the attack.

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Now for speed, Luffy’s Gear 2 speed outran a Liquid Explosion at point-blank range i=with ease in Gear Second. Unlike the “Lightspeed” feats Seth claim, this is actually a calcable feat.

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First for Ceaser’s Height, given there’s no official height for him, we scale him to Law who is 191 cm (6’3½”) . Going by Law’s height of 401px with Ceaser 561px, Ceaser Clown is 267 cm tall

Ceaser Clown’s Height:18px( 2.67m)

Explosion Radius:606px(89.89 m)

Exlpolison velocity:At least  3000 m/s

Distance Luffy went after dodging explosion:5 meters near Ceaser.

Total Distance Luffy traveled: 95 m

Timeframe:1/31th a second

Velocity x Time = (3000 m/s) x (0.03226 s)=96.78 m/s

(Distance the character moved =95 m+96.78m) x (Speed of projectile =3000 m/s ) / (Distance the projectile was away from the character=95m) =6056.21m/s or Mach 17.8

This is an extremely casual speed feat from Gear Second Luffy he did fighting Ceaser Clown which he wasn’t taking very seriously throughout the arc, hell going by Dressora later, Luffy is easily much faster but let’s say just for sake ,we give him at least Mach 178 in Gears 2 due to this casual feat.

Scaling up to Mach 5,340 or 1817149m/s  for Gear Fourth given its 30 times more powerful than Gear Second and should be 30 times faster.  Now let’s combine that with the mass of the desotryed town.

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Flower Hill:648px(1348.34 m)

Town destroyed Length:473px(984.2m)

Town desotryed Width:160px(332.92 m)

Town destroyed depth:105px(218.479 m)

Town Desotryed volume:71,587,542.73×2

Total volume destroyed:143,175,085.4603516

The density of Rock: 2,700kg/m^3

Mass Uplifted:386,572,730,742.9493 or 3.866×10^11 kg

Now for velocity and punching force of the attack.

3.866×10^11 kgx 1817149m/s /2

6.382374714101674e+23 joule = 152 542 416.69 megaton [explosive] 

Luffy’s King Kong Punch:152.54 Teratons of TNT( Large Country level+)

Close but no cigar, Seth is close to being right about Luffy being Continent level however Luffy is still not Cotintent Level and this is with his strongest punch at least currently.

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After all, it would make sense considering Zoro not even using 1/10th his full power aka Asura one shotted Pica who was a massive mountain with 1/10th Luffy’s attack speed and produced a small country level feat via his Haki embued 3 swords

To even be scaled to Continent level you would need a very bare minimum of over 760 Teratons to 1.33 Petatons to be considered Continent level, Luffy is still not close to this power in Dressora, now the question is Luffy Continent level currently?

Considering Luffy fights far stronger enemies as Seth alluded too, via powerscaling and how much stronger he got fighting Big Mom’s Elites and considering he  went on to defeat a Yonko who should easily scale to Multi-Continental Level Admirals, it’s very possibly current Luffy is at least Continental level at his strongest and would be up to Sub Realsitvtic at his fastest given his previous Gear 4th was already near that speed.

How Strong is Luffy Actually

I haven’t seen the recent arcs of One Piece to make a qaunitafable full judgment of where his current power stands and will do so but that would be another journal. I’m just here to debunk mis conceptions and misinformation about speeds regarding Luffy, there’s no such thing as FTL in One Piece currently and no evidence by far that any character exceeds the speed of light.

62 thoughts on “How Strong is Luffy? DEBUNKED

    1. Simple, it was an Outlier at best and not Lightspeed at worst. Zoro in the same time frame struggled to even match the CP9 who even if you severely wank their speed to Lightning speed, is still MUCH slower than Light speed . Zoro couldn’t dodge Lightning from Eneru which is MUCH slower than Light and when Zoro fought Kizaru, Kizaru effortlessly blitzed him and the straw hats, same strawhats that can dodge those “Lightspeed “Lasers, somehow Ussop can dodge said “Lightspeed” lasers which debunks it as being actual lightspeed as there’s no fucking way in hell Ussop is dodging light. Keep trying though.

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      1. Zoro has lightspeed reaction or much faster as stated in manga because he dodged Kuma’s light speed attacks. You fail to see that One Piece World is not based by real world standard. Light speed could be not the max speed in One Piece. There are also a lot of running gag in One Piece which you cannot take seriously like for example, how Nami can hurt Luffy when he is a rubber man. Ussop is a bad example to use as well since he is a running gag in one piece. He is considered normal human in one piece but how many times was it is shown he can survive worst damage as possible that even the strongest man in real life would instantly die.

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      2. Ussop never dodged a laser even if he did, it would still be valid as he could dodge lightning in the past… Also you act like zoro from thriller bark is the same zoro from skypiea or enies lobby. Zoro continuously becomes stronger after each fight/island

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      3. So by your logic Ussop,>Sanji and Zoro who was shown to be much faster than Ussop yet didn’t dodge Lightning. Ussop can’t even dodge bullets let alone Lightning so what are you trying to prove here? Him dodging Lighting is a massive outiler.

        Yeah but going from barely dodging Lightning to dodging”light” , unless Zoro has been doing some King Kai training and then training at 100 times gravity, I really doubt he’s able to get that strong and fast after a while. Also the feat with Kuma, do you really think Kuma was attacking at his full speed or power? Zoro got bltzstomped by Kizaru literally an arc later and he’s only Lightspeed so the FTL One Piece is merely fan hype and not backed by edivence until you can prove there are faster characters than Kizaru.

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  1. You literally can’t debunk one piece characters from being slower then light or light speed since there is ALOT more feats that proves they are minimum light speed in combat…

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    1. Except i just did. No one aside from Kizaru is Lightspeed in One Piece, he’s literally stated to be the fastest character in One Piece by Word of God himself and all the claims of characters MUCH weaker than Kizaru being even close to Lightspeed are either fully debunked or contradicted by feats that are MUCH slower than Light. If Pre SkiP Zoro for example can dodge Light, why was he tagged easily by Eneru’s Lightning TWICE?The only characters remotely close to Kizaru’s Lightspeed are the Top Tiers of One Piece such as the other Adrimals, Rayleigh who ca fight on par with Kizaru, Yonko’s and people on that level. Current Luffy should be at least Realsitvic in speed in Gear 4th Snakeman but to claim PTS Luffy is remotely close to Kizaru’s speed when Kizaru was effortlessly blitzing him, the entire Strawhats and 11 characters on the same power level as Luffy is utterly ridiculous and wreaks of massive One Piece wank to claim anyone less than Akoji are tagging Kizaru speed levels.

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    2. I like to see your proof of people below Kizaru being Lightspeed. Kuma is the only one arguably on that tier ,the rest of the verse is below “THE FASTEST MAN IN ONE PEICE”. Zoro’s feat is completely contradicted by the speed of Pasfscita lasers which Ussop can dodge and unless you want to claim Ussop is much faster than Skypeida Arc Luffy,Sanji and Zoro, this debunks the lasers being Light speed. This is further backed when Zoro fought Kizaru and couldn’t even touch Kizaru at all, not even coming close to cutting him or reacting to his attacks, keep in mind the same Zoro dodged”Lightspeed Lasers” so that’s another rebuttal that Pasifcstia lasers are remotely close to actual lightspeed. ll the Supernovas sans Uorge are able to react and counter Pascisfctia attacks yet all of them were blitzstomped by Kizaru, so again the lasers are not real lightspeed, not even close.

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      1. Bro… You wrote all of that just to get debunked via proof, Niji is stated to be able to move at the speed of light https://vsbattles.com/threads/official-translation-requests-thread-new-forum.107531/post-3834771
        Kuma is literally stated to reflect air at the speed of light (https://i.ibb.co/Cv43ShS/012.png) which were harder to dodge for zoro then the lasers were (https://i.ibb.co/rpvj9J5/008.png and https://i.ibb.co/dKtkNq6/009.png), we have in the anime stated that the raid suit boosters accelerate at the speed of light (https://gfycat.com/remarkablebruisedkillerwhale), we have ichiji who was able to outspeed his own light laser beams (https://i.ibb.co/2krZrW0/0166-0167.png and https://gfycat.com/jadedimpolitegodwit) literally blatant faster than light, we have foxy who uses photons in his beams and there is much more.

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  2. “Zoro has lightspeed reaction or much faster as stated in manga because he dodged Kuma’s light speed attacks. ”

    None of Kuma’s attacks were Lightspeed, assuming Kuma was LS, he was massively toying with Zoro, if you think he was taking Zoro seriously, you’re dumber than I thought. Also funny how Kizaru casually stomped Zoro who actually is proven to move at lightspeed so that alone debunks your argument.

    You fail to see that One Piece World is not based by real world standard.”

    A bullshit copout argument from a fanboy, Fairy Tail is also not a world based on real-world standards, same with Naruto, same with most shonen yet we still base feats on basic physics, Dragonabll characters can blow up planets, DB characters aren’t real nor come from our earth but no one is going to deny if they were real, we all be fucked. Also by your logic, Haku from Naruto is Lightspeed and KN0 Naruto is faster than Light making Six Sages Naruto Immearsuable speeds by your logic.

    ” Light speed could be not the max speed in One Piece.”

    Except it literally is,Kizaru is literally the fastest character by lore, keep trying.When Oda states he’s the fastest character, he’s the fastest character and given Gear 2 Luffy and Zoro himself was rolfstomped by Kizaru, this is proof they’re nowhere close to Lightspeed in pre skip,. Unless some god tier appears with FTL speed, the verse is currently stuck only at Realstvitc at best for all top tiers minus Kizaru.

    Notice how all the Supernovas sans Uorge are able to react and counter Pascisfctia attacks.
    Yet when Kizaru attacked, none of them could even come close to reacting and Kizaru was holding back greatly against them.

    “There are also a lot of running gag in One Piece which you cannot take seriously like for example, how Nami can hurt Luffy when he is a rubber man.Ussop is a bad example to use as well since he is a running gag in one piece.”

    The difference is that Nami hitting Luffy is a running gag while the Pasfsctias almost killing the straw hats was deadly serious. Ussop dodged the Pafsctifas lasers, deal with it, this is more than enough to debunk your argument on LS Pre Skip Zoro

    Going by your faulty logic, Lucy from fairy tail is Lightspeed or FTL because she dodged Biscklow’s Baryon formation lasers, Brayon a partcile of light, hence she’s totally FTL.

    Ussop is hardly above peak human speed wise, attack speed wise via his projectiles, he can fire them hypersonic speeds and outpace the speed and range of rifles but as for his own reflexes and combat speed, travel speed and reaction speed? Not even close to Hypersonic much less FTL. Neither is Nami going by the fact she barely handled Kafila who was at least Hypersonic+

    So if these lasers can’t even tag Ussop, what thinks they’re remotely close to Lightspeed? Hell considering Ussop actually shot the Pasfscitas mouth before it can fire its lasers, are these lasers even above Hypersonic?

    What’s even funnier is the fact that despite all being severely exhausted and weakened, they can all dodge a Pasifscita Laser, even Nami and Ussop. I guess an exhausted Nami and Ussop are also FTL by your logic, two human characters who’ve not even shown Supersonic speeds much less FTL. Please try to address that argument then.

    “He is considered normal human in one piece but how many times was it is shown he can survive worst damage as possible that even the strongest man in real life would instantly die.”

    This is not an argument, no one says Zoro isn’t powerful or fast, what I’m saying is that your Lightspeed claims have been throughout debunked by this blog here . Zoro is awesome, I’m a big fan of hence my username but here’s a big problem, there’s literally no edivence of him dodging actual lightspeed attacks.

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  3. Yes there is a lot of things you can debunk in this article. Like you saying Kizaru being light speed just means he’s faster then light speed. I do not know why people thinks hes capped at light speed lmao

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    1. He’s capped at Lightspeed because that’s the highest speed the verse has shown so far.Unless you can provide me credible speed feats of Kizaru moving faster than light or characters in his tier moving faster than light, that’s the current milt on One Piece speed which seems consistent to powerscaling and direct feats. Don’t be mad at me for simply stating that Lightspeed isn’t possible as long as Kizaru is stated to the fastest character in One Piece. If One Piece gets a credible speed feat above Kizaru’s showings, i will change my mind but until then, One Peice is below Bleach and Naruto’s speed levels.

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  4. I can debunk the Kuma/zoro feat. Kuma just stated he deflects it at light speed so the process of deflecting something is light speed not the travel time itself also many ppl use fake Scan´s in one piece I dont know why this is the lamest shit ever but in the original he states that he deflects it at light speed look it up. Idk what it is maybe one piece fans cant read.

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    1. Yeah this just stupid fanboys being fanboys trying to wank their verse stronger than it actually is. Not only is is easily debunked by the fact Zoro could dodge it(Mind you he couldn’t even dodge Lightning around this point) it’s fruther debunked by Kizaru crubstomping Zoro and the strawhats who moved at actual Light-speed and moved too fast for G2 Luffy to even see move, i don’t know why anyone is going to aruge that Zoro pres skip is FTL when there’s numberous feats contradicting that.

      Yeah i think Kuma having light-speed delfeciton is leigt, doesn’t mean he was attacking at that speed when he fought Zoro, if anything narrative wise, he was holding back greatly against the strawhats as he was secretly aligned with Rayleigh

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      1. Bro, how sad must you be to straight up lie and manipulate words to make it so one piece verse doesn’t get as fast or faster than your verse… Bro don’t live like that.

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      2. The dumbest and the worst arguments i’ve ever seen ,
        how you’re saying luffy isn’t light speed while he speed blitzed brynndi world who was stated to be uncatchable until you can move at light speed which make luffy ftl at base , + without forgetting that world can makes his states to 100x while he got blitzed by g2 luffy which make luffy 100x ftl+ , + blitzing hybrid kaido who is ftl+ in base form without talking about gear 4 who is far faster and stronger than base with 30x multiplier and x10 multiplier than g2 which make him 100×10 ftl+ = 1000x ftl ( being 10x multiplier has been stated by doflamingo so there’s no way you can refuse it ) + , ( i have all the proves + you can debate me in my discord to see who is the more stupid Seyli#5742 ) + you’re using the statement that help you to prove your false opinion while you forgot about the other statements that make luffy ftl+ in base which make you a biased naruto or mid clover fan who know that luffy speed blitzes both especially asta who capped at Lightning speed

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  5. this is like the worst arguments i’ve ever seen , how he’s not light speed level while he was able to speed blitz hybrid kaido who already blitz him in base even with future sight + blitzing in base brynndi world who was stated to be uncatchable unless you can move in light speed which make pre timeskip luffy ftl in base without forgetting that world can increases his stats 100x while he got stomped by gear 2 luffy which make g2 100 x ftl+ ; + man really compared asta who lightning speed at max to someone who is 100x ftl+ lowballed at his slowest gear if you have any doubts you can debate me in discord Seyli#5742 )

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  6. Your logic is so backwards during the beginning. Sanji should scale above Kalifa therefore he is lighting speed. You call Sanji not lighting speed when that was a weaker Sanji, by far. Also erzaxzoro his eye moved in the panel when Kizaru blitzes him. Also if Kizaru’s light form is faster than everyone why did he not blitz Rayleigh? Pre-Timeskip characters are Relativistic because Luffy and Zoro both dodge the Pacifista Laser which was based off of Kizaru, who you except that Kizaru is Light-Speed, then these Laser that they dodge many times are at least near Lightspeed. And if you still don’t believe me just watch this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgNFXwGBhYY&t=61s or this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P60iXbYndAo I am aware that Ideashock is a wanker but these videos work with facts rather than calculations.

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    1. “Your logic is so backwards during the beginning.”
      The copium is strong with you faggot, mad i debunked your wank OPtard?

      “Sanji should scale above Kalifa therefore he is lighting speed. “



      Yet failed to dodge Lightning against Eeneru, I guess by your dumbass logic Nami’s Lightning >Eneeru’s Lightning despite one confirmed to actually move at Lightning speed and one merely having an attack that moves at Lightning speed but their actual combat speed is barely Supersonic.


      It’s very obvious Kailfa aimsdodged Lightning as she can predict the attack paterns during the fight, also while the Lightning is fast, the cloud fomraitons are FAR SLOWER than Lightning and Nami herself is far slower than Lightning.







      You are trying to tell me Kaifla is Lightning speed when she can’t even handle Sanji who was massively holding back against her as he doesn’t hit women



      Same Snaji who got blitzed repeatedly by Eeneru




      Also Kafila was hit by Lightning Muptile times which debunks her being Lightning speed even when she can anpaciate the direction of the Lightning strike ,


      this proves that her previous reaction to Nami’s Lightning was an aim dodge at best and an outlier at worst.
      https://imgur.com/a/7N9zH

      Given Nami is comparable to Ussop and barely fast enough to react to bullets

      https://imgur.com/a/wVliB
      it’s safe to say Kafila who should have reaction speeds comparable to Yama in Skypeda who can casually react to canonballs and Kurodmai and Base Lucci as a teenager who can react to bullets and canon fire would be MUCH faster than Nami’s combat speed/reaction speed so her dodging Lightning despite being far slower than lightning makes sense.

      Trying to claim Kafila is as fast as Lightning is like claiming the Punisher is as fast as bullets because he avoided the trajectory of the bullets.

      “You call Sanji not lighting speed when that was a weaker Sanji, “
      Base Sanji is barely any different Skypedia arc than he is in Water 7 , try harder faggot.
      Also he massively held back against Kafila so even if Sanji was somehow much faster and stronger in base( which you yet to prove a difference in power between Skypedia Sanji and base Water 7 /Ensis Lobby Sanji) Kafila will be NOWHERE NEAR SANJI’S SPEED.
      And given Sanji was repeatedly stomped by Eeneru’s Lightning attacks which are consistently shown to be Lightning speed (Macn 2,525),Sanji is nowhere near actual Lightning speed. The fact you have the nerve to tell me what’s in the manga when it’s blatantly obvious just shows how stupid you are.
      Sanji in base is shown to be comparable or faster than Waynze who can generate friction with his stakes, his Diable Jiamble is comparable in muptilers to Gear Second. Given to generate friction, you need to be moving at least at Mach 3-5 and to generate heat hot enough to melt iron you need to exceeded Mach 23, Sanji’s maxixum speed in Pre skip( which also scales to Luffy and Zoro) would be around Mach 230, not even 1/10th the speed of Lightning


      As for Kafila dodging Nami’s attacks, as i already explained here, it was an aim dodge, she evaded Nami’s movements which are MUCH slower than Kaiflas
      Given she repeatedly fails to dodge Nami’s Lightning shortly after that.
      Given Nami is nowhere near her attack speed in regards to combat speed ,it’s far easier to react to Nami’s movements than the attack that Kafila was repeatedly blitzed by.

      This is what people call Aimdoging, Aim Dodging refers to the technique of avoiding linear attacks by re-positioning oneself away from the path of the attack before it is fired. This is how for example Batman, established to have no powers can aim-dodge bullets with his low combat and travel speed
      So when you combine the fact that Nami was established to have barely above average speed in Pre Skip.
      Along with the fact that Kafila was much slower than Sanji.


      Who can’t dodge Lightning

      https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-bb916897c1155ebbd4d8a8fdca5254a1-lq
      https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-3cd1c081251f7c00878a4a6e78c51b05-lq
      Hell Luffy was WAY slower than Eneeru

      “by far. Also erzaxzoro his eye moved in the panel when Kizaru blitzes him. “

      That’s hardly an argument dumbass, this is just pure copium. You telling me Luffy who’s SLOWER than Eneru even in Gear 2 is somehow relative to Kizaru

      Depite

      The

      Edivence To The Countray?
      The comical attempts to wank Luffy is riddiclous,especially when current Luffy doesn’t even have ANY actual FTL feats, not even Gear 5th Luffy.

      https://imgur.com/a/243edaG

      Luffy never dodged Kizaru, not only is your faggot ass lying, you’re rewiriting history. Kizaru literally called Luffy too slow when they”fought” in Marineford, he got stomped and blitzed.
      https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/e/ef/Queen%27s_Dimensions.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/180?cb=20210902191054
      https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/f/f8/Queen_from_Screen.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/180?cb=20210902191114
      https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/4/44/Sanji_Dodges_Queen%27s_Laser.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/180?cb=20210902191217
      The most you got is powerscaling from Sanji dodging Queens Lasers which is Lightspeed

      We established the sheer difference in power between base Luffy Zoro and Sanji timeskip


      And their power Pre skip long ago so they’e nowhere close to lightspeed when Sannji had to gt 10 times his timeskip speed to get to Lightspeed.

      Also are you saying Pre Skip Strawhats=Ichiji who’s comparable to Wano Arc Sanji’s max speed?

      “Also if Kizaru’s light form is faster than everyone why did he not blitz Rayleigh? “
      https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/863171196035661834/880541282659860520/0511-017.png?width=1482&height=1170
      https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/863171196035661834/880531162819346482/0512-012.png?width=741&height=1170
      https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/863171196035661834/880531169102413854/0513-011.png?width=741&height=1170
      Because Rayleigh>Marco
      who can also keep up with Kizaru, also he can’t blitz Rauyileigh because he’s a mastered Observration Haki user, that’s hardly a contradiction. Are you really asking how a Top Tier in One Piece can’t blitz another Top Tier? Fucking stupid. Also just because a Top Tier can keep up, doesn’t mean they’re as fast or faster than that person fucktard.

      Miss me with your gay shit nigga, you attempting to downplay Kizaru being the fastest using a top tier as an argument as if the guy were a jobber is the biggest cope ever.
      What’s next. Foxy is leight Lightspeed? Might as well further debunk that narrative as well.
      https://imgur.com/a/W9PQUb2
      https://imgur.com/a/2gsejE8
      https://imgur.com/a/U1nl0BL
      the blast that foxy was firing at him right now, Luffy was barely dodging them numerous times in the fight and resort to aim dodge to position his body before the beam was gonna hit him. He blitz Foxy before he finished making a complete sentence and got the better of his powers by using the mirror that was stuck in his afro earlier.
      Also Foxy’s powers even if your can argue are Light aren’t actual Lightspeed for numerous reasons

      Let’s see if the Foxy abilities stand up to method of test.
      Foxy ate the Devil Fruit the Noro Noro no Mi which allows him to fire microscopic particles as beams of light that can slow down his enemies or other objects for 30 seconds (he demonstrates this by slowing down a cannon ball fired at him, only to get hit by the cannonball anyway when he was gloating over its power for too long). When he cheats, he frequently uses these powers to increase the impact of his attacks or stop his opponents in their tracks. Luffy manages to beat this power by using a shard from a mirror he found on Foxy’s ship, reflecting the Noroma photons back at him, then delivering a final blow with a 30 second delay.
      The beam refracts in a new material, such as a liquid or…
      The beam reflects off a material that it can be expected to, such as a non-magical mirror Check
      The beam is called lightspeed by reliable sources not confrimed
      It is stated to be made of photons or light itself, again by a reliable source check
      It has its origin at a realistic source of light, such as a camera nope
      Addimtitely Foxy’s attacks almost reach the definitions of Lightspeed attacks, but then again so does Haku by this same standard however they’re also this.
      Furthermore, there are a few criteria which show a beam is NOT real light:
      It is shown at different speeds in the same material
      It is tangible and can be interacted with physically by normal humans
      They do not travel in straight lines (unless you can prove refraction/reflection, see above)
      https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/9/9b/Noro_Noro_Beam_Sword.png/revision/latest?cb=20141118060428

      The fact Foxy can curve his attacks debunks it being Lightspeed because Pure Light can’t curve so it’s not a qaunftiable Lightspeed feat in the slightest.

      Furthermore, his Lightspeed is entirely inconsistent given it could barely tag Pre Water 7 Arc Luffy Who has reflexes far slower than Lightning?https://www.youtube.com/embed/26_zKe9SKas?autoplay=0&enablejsapi=1
      Who had characters on par with him completely bltizstomped by Lightning. Hell if it wasn’t for the fact Luffy was made of Rubber, Eneru would’ve effortlessly ended the strawhats where they stood.

      “Pre-Timeskip characters are Relativistic because Luffy and Zoro both dodge the Pacifista Laser which was based off of Kizaru, “
      https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-85d5a5393c71a94f61a996ee1156a420-lq
      Keyword, based off,doesn’t mean they’re anywhere close to the real deal.

      Miasaka clones in Index are based on Misaka Mikoto, don’t mean they’re anywhere close to as powerful as Miasaka herself.
      Based off doesn’t mean just as strong, that’s a falliacy



      https://imgur.com/a/243edaG
      Funny how Kizaru casually curbstomped both Luffy and Zoro and effortlessly blitzed not only them
      https://imgur.com/a/tAclQ
      https://imgur.com/a/rpW6v
      https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-85d5a5393c71a94f61a996ee1156a420-lq








      But all the other SUpernovas who are all Relative to Zoro and Luffy.

      https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-105755627876c61f5090d7bf558f060a-lq
      https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7e25af9aea6e7426caf27720cc9382bc-lq

      Meanwhile the strawhats and the supernovas are dodging Pasfactia lasers. Either light works vastly different in one piece in which you have two sperate tiers of light or one laser is clearly MUCH SLOWER THAN THE OTHER.


      For fucksake USSOP CAN OUTRUN THEM!

      https://imgur.com/a/4ATZe

      https://imgur.com/a/txGjA
      Same Ussop who struggles to dodge rockets,explosives and gunfire, unless you’re saying rockets and bullets also move at Lightspeed, then you got no argument.
      https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/b/b7/Kaido%27s_Thunder_Bagua.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20220702080552
      Given there’s a blatant speed gap between Post Dressora Luffy and Kaido who casually blitzes Lufffy in Gear 4th And Kaido’s minions are too much for Zoro and Snaji’s previous limits and both NEEDED to achieve a new level of power entirely in their fights to keep up .And one of those minions happen to have actual Lightspeed attacks

      https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/8/80/Marco_Talks_to_Queen.png/revision/latest?cb=20210412233943
      https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/f/f8/MarcoPXquenn_%283%29.png/revision/latest?cb=20210412042131
      Which is comparable to Marco’s speed

      Who can react to Kizarus Lightspeed
      It’s safe to say that NO ONE PRE DRESSORA is Lightspeed within the strawhats.

      Hell Big Mom was hit by Lightning attacks from Nami which i doubt increased her attack speed given her abilties are fixated on nature and not DF power so can’t evolve past their limaitons so that’s a clear debunk of anyone in Pre skip being FTL unless they’re relative to Kizaru
      Granted Big Mom wasn’t taking Nami seriously and we know she’s equal to Kaido

      Buit it only makes the scaling for Luffy’s speed worse as in Whole Cake Island, he couldn’t blitz Big Mom in Gear 4th and she was holding back against him so this further debunks any Pre skip Lightspeed feat if Big Mom who’s WAY faster than Pre skip strawhats can’t even dodge Lightning in her suppressed form yet was able to block the fastest and strongest strawhat at the time with little efofrt.





      Given Zoro was getting bltized by Lightning Pre Skip, Lightning is MUCH slower than Light this is pretty consistent with showings from Big Mom and timeskip characters.

      HELL HE CAN’T EVEN DODGE LIGHTNING POST TIMESKIP IN THE WANO ARC,LOL.

      NEITHER COULD LUFFFY, DOUBLE LOL.

      Which sounds more plausible, Kizaru being FTL in a verse that has ZERO concrete Lightspeed feats and based on contradictory claims and statements
      https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0c7501b82c7af6c8bed9b7488f10cf7d-pjlq

      Or Kizaru being the only confirmed Lightspeed character and only top tier Observation haki users having any kind of reflexes and reaction speed to keep up. Unless you claiming Oda is wrong about Kizaru being the fastest in the verse and that you know more about Obseratvion Haki than the guy who made it, you have no argument. Literally your god Oda claims no one in the verse is faster than Kizaru and they can only keep up if they mastered Obsevartion Haki, this puts a nail in the coffin of your dead arugment.












      Also how do you reconcile the fact that it takes a literal timeskip, several arcs and Sanji unlocking his Grema roots and heritage to actually dodge Lasers, Real Lasers BTW that are able to keep up with Marco.





      And it took Zoro a new sword which enhanced his powers to dodge an attack compared to that of Beam of Light
      https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-105755627876c61f5090d7bf558f060a-lq
      https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7e25af9aea6e7426caf27720cc9382bc-lq
      While claiming that Luffy and Zoro can dodge them pre skip.

      So according to your faggot logic Pre Skip Zoro and Luffy>>>>>Timeskip Wano Arc Sanji.


      Also Zoro never dodged Kuma’s laser, look carefully, in the panels you can see him visibly hurt from the explosion so that’s another debunk.


      Zoro was also effortlessly biltzed by Kizaru, which again debunks the narrative that the lasers are remotely the same as Kizaru’s light beams and Zoro was just as severely weakened as he was back in Thriller Bark post-Oars battle and in fact in both battles suffering the exact same injuries so don’t give me this”weakened” arugment.







      Another debunk to your argument is Kuma’s “Light speed “ pads. Given Kuma was directly aligned with Rayeleigh and casually blitzed the strawhats MUCH later on and Kuma is a top tier comparable to Marco, Sabo and Ace and none of the strawhats are anywhere close to Adrimial level and was testing/saving the strawhats, it’s safe to say even if he can actually attack at lightspeed, he was massively holding back against Zoro and the strawhats.
      https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:KingTempest16/Kaidou%27s_Thunder_Bagua_Speed
      So really the only objectively FTL characters within the series by powerscaling and feats would be Whitebeard who’s superior to the 3 Adirmals overall, Kaido, Maybe Big Mom, Shanks and now Gear 5 Luffy, Post Grema Sanji and Zoro might also be there who should scale within the range . Literally no one aside from the strongest pirates reach FTL.


      And even then Observation Haki makes light dodging an Aim dodge more than debunks their speed being narutally at this range as they are reacting to predictions of attacks, meaning they are barely FTL with normal combat reaction speeds.After all its’ stated you need at least mastered Observraiton Haaki to dodge Light.

      “who you except that Kizaru is Light-Speed, then these Laser that they dodge many times are at least near Lightspeed. And if you still don’t believe me just watch this. “

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgNFXwGBhYY&t=61s or this “

      Oh Ideashocks video, i was going to do a journal debunking his faggot ass anyways, thanks for giving me the topic for the next journal. Hope you cry as much from the next journal like you did here.
      Ideashock is a fucking clown that claimed Luffy can beat Naruto which is beyond clown world takes, Luffy even in Gear 5 would be lucky to even keep up with KCM 1 Nauto let alone Six Sages Naruto. Same tard downplays Naruto to hell, thinks Naruto is not even Mutil Continental when Naruto has numerous planetary feats and scaling long before he got Six Sages Powers whereas Luffy has no planetary feats whatsoever

      And his recent arcority is the Natsu vs Luffy video which was even worse with the downplay/wank. Natsu currently would stomp Luffy in base, it’s not even a close fight. If Natsu can solo Naruto and Bleach, much stronger verses than that of One Piece, Luffy doesn’t have a prayer. Will be doing a journal on that one too, so count on that bitch.

      Literally no one takes Ideashock seriously, when you make even VSBW admins look intelligent, you know you have problems.

      I don’t normally use VSBW as an argument
      (
      because i’ve proven repeatedly how they lack any credibility)

      but the basics is true here, One Piece is FAR behind Naruto, Bleach and Fairy Tail in power, they’re not even close to their levels of power. Luffy is like country level wheres all the other mains of the verses are at bare minimum Planetary levels of power and Ichigo, Natsu and Naruto all have concrete FTL speed feats and scaling whereas Luffy as of Chapter 1052 has yet to show any speed feat close to that. Trying to claim OP characters are massively FTL and Large Star level when Kizaru peaks at Lightspeed and the most you can possible go with One Piece is planetary if you believe the Whitebeard hype at his prime, that is more than a debunk against your narrative.

      “https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P60iXbYndAo I am aware that Ideashock is a wanker but these videos work with facts rather than calculations.”
      >Aware he has ZERO credibility
      >Uses his sources anyways

      By this logic, i can use Clyde or Bleach Hubs blowjobs of Bleach as an argument on why Bleach is Mutiverisal and Massively FTL despite ZERO evidence of either feat being accurate to the source material or how Yhwach can solo stomp DBZ/S.

      A video i’ve thoroughly debunked already

      As well as a billion Bleachtard arugmnents and wanks.

      Was planning to do a debunk of Narutards but then you came along so OPtards like you take priority now,especially after that atrocious Death Battle where Death Battle wanked Sanji to MFTL and downplayed Rock Lee and the 8th Gates and the terrible Idea Shock video which only highlights OPtards being more delusional than Narutards and Bleachtards combined.
      One Piece is the weakest of the HST by miles, even Fairy Tail is above them, in fairness they’re actually near DBZ levels already and above the entire HST currently,especially with recent additions to canon drastically upping the scaling of the entire verse.

      .
      https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-fc9a12b76af941c0e2943b22bdf6061a-lq
      https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-88be6e8779d8a028a6883fff646406f7-lq
      Same Luffy couldn’t evade Lighnting pre skip which is not even 1/100th the speed of Light and only beat Eneeru because of Eneeru’s arrogance and his own immunity to lightning attacks. Zoro and Sanji who rival Luffy in speed were getting casually stomped by Lightning attacks by Eneeru so they’re nowhere close to Lightspeed.

      https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7d4af97d03d0bd511c20e37318b25f42
      https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-fbeb535a107d59cf527e3a1b8f792c5a
      https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6f035b99b11c6524b5c87f76357be522
      It’s not biased if it’s based on facts retard. Literally no Supernova dodged Kizaru’s attacks, attacks confirmed to be Lightspeed,this debunks them being FTL from the getgo and debunks the Pasfscita lasers being Lightspeed as the Supernovas can dodge those but not Kizaru using actual light form. Also shows they noticed him mid light form, they were all suprised when he appeared so that is another debunk.

      https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0c7501b82c7af6c8bed9b7488f10cf7d-pjlq
      Unless you claiming Oda is wrong about Kizaru being the fastest in the verse and that you know more about Obseratvion Haki than the guy who made it, you have no argument.

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  7. From what I’ve seen of luffy and some of the scans of gear 5 luffy and scaling,he at best could beat 6th gate lee.
    From what I’ve seen of nami,if she was but in a death battle,she loses to lucy,sakura,tatsumaki,and maybe fubuki and I’ve seen trailers of her being requested against a final fantasy or persona character,she is going to die really really really hard

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    1. Will be upgrading and updating Luffy once i put over more respect threads as well as Debunks as well. I think 6th gate lee would be lowballing current Luffy. I think at least in power and speed he might be comparable to KCM1 Naruto. Gear 5 should be above the Admrials which means even Kizaru would be slower than Gear 5th Luffy narrative wise even taking Observraiton Haki into consideration,.

      Nami probabl the weakest of the female lead HST characters, Rukia post skip defitnely stomps, Sakura luaghably stomps as well.Not to downplay or direspect Nami but between Rukia’s busted hax post royal gaurd and Sakura being a power house, yeah

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  8. I’ve seen videos of gear 5 luffy and I’ve heard luffy being star level and mftl to mftl+ at peak,the theory of their earth being larger than ours earth seems. Tbh,one piece being planetary and ftl seems more believable from the scans I’ve seen.
    Ideashock seems ok but his videos of one piece is kinda bs. At least he show calcs but even then,questionable
    Luffy vs naruto seems wierd. I saw some of the scans of gear 5 luffy,luffy could beat naruto if he had better hax and stats to keep up with naruto. Speed seems iffy on both sides. I think naruto should win due to better stats but I might want to read the one piece manga,I’ve heard the manga is actually good and one piece ladies seems(not all) a lot hotter than naruto ladies,even the ones arent human.
    Sanji vs rock lee, I have questions to ask about that luffy speed scaling,how they get luffy to 13 times the speed of light from that distant,that seems more like subrelativistic to maybe relativistic at best.

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  9. Its pure wank much like Las Noches being country sizedd

    He’s a massive OPtard.i have as much respect for him as Bleachub

    Snaji vs Lee was utter bullshit but will get to that later.

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  10. death battle shouldve did natsu vs luffy instead of natsu vs ace,it sounds like fun and is better than naruto vs luffy.
    are you trying debunk the whole thing of naruto being outerversal.
    seththeprogrammer seems like he good at scaling. atari_hm isnt bias except maybe when it comes to dragonball. yfv or jobbers is good at comics,but his scaling in anime is terrible. ivantheunstoppable seems like he is careful of what he says.
    only naruto vs one piece matchup that i like is tsunade vs boa hancock.

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  11. Oda never said that he was the fastest in the verse in that link that quote wasn’t even Oda so you just destroyed your credibility. Also I never said that they were FTL so you just used a straw man argument. Next no one is wrong 100% of the time which you would know if you weren’t so busy calling anyone who disagrees with you faggots. Sanji was in the middle of kicking Usopp and Nami away when Enel blasted him, further more Zala reacts to Nami’s lightning in Alabasta https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/d/de/Zala_and_Lightning_Distance.png/revision/latest?cb=20210723183411 Nami blocks Enel’s lightning https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/2/2a/Nami_redirects_a_lightning.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20181205024522 and dodges her own https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/e/ea/0381-005.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20181205031213 Zoro attempts to block Enel https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/6/61/Zora%C3%A7oas.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20210418155708 Luffy reacts to Enel https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/4/40/LancerASDA.png/revision/latest?cb=20210418160234 So Kalifa’s Lightining Block outlier how? Oda states that Luffy was training his Devil Fruit showing that Devil Fruit abilities can get stronger, meaning that Kizaru could be well above Light Speed. Luffy dodges photons all the way back in Long Ring Long Land(which is canon) https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/7/7a/Luffy_Dodges_Beam_on_Ship.png/revision/latest?cb=20211104202312 so all that being said, is he still not Lightspeed? If that won’t convince you than I have nothing left to say.

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    1. “Oda never said that he was the f”Oda never said that he was the fastest in the verse in that link that quote wasn’t even Oda so you just destroyed your credibility”


      https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0c7501b82c7af6c8bed9b7488f10cf7d-pjlq
      Oh really faggot then what does this say again? This is literally from the word of god itself, are you saying you know better than the guy who literally created One Piece? He’s considered the top tier in speed and “possibly the fastest in the verse” by One Piece Wiki and Oda himself but lemme guess, you’re one the one right here and i’m wrong?

      In the 2DY One Piece Special canon to the manga, Rayleigh states that no one can move at the speed of Light and only those who mastered Observation Haki can hope to react or dodge lightspeed attacks. This puts a nail in the coffin of any OPtard claiming Pre skip Luffy is even close to Lightspeed. Either i’m lying or you’re the one full of shit.


      https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e5145b974e5bf0bb937d27027e418cc7-pjlq
      It’s repeatedly stated that Observation Haki makes one react to things faster than themselves to a cetrain extent. The only characters who can be argued to move FTL even without Observation haki are Kaido( who bltized Gear 4th Luffy) Whitebeard( who scales to him) and anyone of Yokno level,and of course Gear 5th Luffy, all objectively faster and stronger than Kizaru himself.

      https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0e0eaded26e640109ebd2ad7b2404c4f-pjlq
      BTW Aimdoging isn’t a speed nor counts as legit speed.This is what people call Aimdoging, Aim Dodging refers to the technique of avoiding linear attacks by re-positioning oneself away from the path of the attack before it is fired. The user can avoid linear attacks MUCH FASTER THAN THEMSELVES by simply quickly positioning themselves away from the path of the attack before it is fired.

      People might see this to not be true, but I it funny to find Luffy on the COVER of the aim-dodging page of the powerlisting wiki:
      ( The wiki page image change since the last time i was there thought)

      In Narration, no one but the god tiers of One Piece are lightspeed movement speed wise.

      . “Also I never said that they were FTL so you just used a straw man argument.”

      Sure you didn’t, your totally not trying to wank Kizaru as FTL right fag?

      “Next no one is wrong 100% of the time which you would know if you weren’t so busy calling anyone who disagrees with you faggots. ”

      Are you mad faggot? Also i only call lying faggots like you faggots, people so disingenuous and trying to ignore blatant evidence against your narrative, i already debunked the Strawhats being FTL before the timeskip.












      If Sanji dodging Queens Lasers require an entire jump in power from his already high timeskip increase of speed and power, then there’s ZERO chance he’s lightspeed unless you think Pre Skip Strawhats=Kizaru when the gap in speed let alone power couldn’t be more blatant. Also if you triggered by me calling you a faggot, how about you don’t insult my intelligence next time and i will treat you with respect.

      “Sanji was in the middle of kicking Usopp and Nami away when Enel blasted him,”



      Yet Sanji can’t dodge the Lightning himself ?
      https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-9ce48e345cb375fecfb9729d19641e7c-lq
      Also is Sanji faster than Big Mom who can’t dodge Lightning from Nami at near point blank range?



      Or Luffy and Zoro who were tagged by Lightning TIMESKIP?





      Also never mind the many contradictions timeskip from much faster characters than Pre Skiip Strawhats. Zoro has repeatedly been bltized by Eneru and was nowhere close to touching Eneru even once and Sanji=Zoro so unless you’re saying Sanji can move MUCH faster than Zoro, your arugment is invaild.

      https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-fc9a12b76af941c0e2943b22bdf6061a-lq

      Also you’re caught lying again,Eneru was still charging his blast, that’s not mid attack, the fact you try to get awayt with a blatant lie is the reason i call you a faggot.

      “Further more Zala reacts to Nami’s lightning in Alabasta ”

      A baltant outiler and also Nami’s attacks are fast but Nami herself isn’t that speed, it’s what we call an aim dodge.


      That would be like aruging that because a guy can dodge a gunshot he can move as fast as the bullet when he’s reacting to the guy with the gun, not the bullet itself.


      Also she still tagged Zala with it and her Climtact was far weaker than the one in Water 7 so nice try faggot. Zala was literally at point blank range mid attack and yet couldn’t attack Nami faster than the Lightning strike which debunks your narrative that Zala is faster than Lightning. Onto your other shit narrative.

      “https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/d/de/Zala_and_Lightning_Distance.png/revision/latest?cb=20210723183411 Nami blocks Enel’s lightning ”





      So Nami is faster than Zoro who can’t dodge Eneeru at all getting bltized twice?
      https://imgur.com/a/Jh11X
      https://imgur.com/a/E2xop
      I wasn’t aware Nami who was barely reacting to Kafila, the weakest of the CP9
      https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/e/e5/Doriki_Infobox.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/350?cb=20130804113531
      Was secretly faster than Zoro who was fighting an opponent over 3.5 times stronger than Kafila

      I guess Nami is also faster than Luffy, the guy who couldn’t even react to Eeneru’s attacks.

      https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-9ce48e345cb375fecfb9729d19641e7c-lq
      She’s even faster than Big Mom appearntly

      Also Eneeru was toying with Nami which invalidates your argument entirely.

      That’s like using Nami hurting Luffy to lowball Luffy’s durability, it’s disingenuous.

      Which BTW by your logic Nami>>Luffy





      Also since you want to use Ouitilers, Post Skip Luffy and Zoro were being punked by a guy who only moved at 200km./h which isn’t even Sound Speed let alone lightspeed so yeah this is why we don’t use Blatant outliers either positively or negatively in a credible VS discussion.

      “https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/2/2a/Nami_redirects_a_lightning.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20181205024522

      “and dodges her own”


      https://imgur.com/a/4ATZe

      https://imgur.com/a/txGjA

      Yet can’t even dodge canonballs and bullets and only shown to be as fast as Ussop if not even slower who can’t dodge bullets or exploisons.



      And was getting jobbed out by Kafila speedwise




      Who LOST TO LIGHTNING ATTACKS






      Who’s not even close to base Sanji’s speed and only held her own because Sanj didn’t want to hurt her at all.




      Also Zoro who was bloodlusted and WAY faster than Nami couldn’t dodge Eneru’s attacks at all so by your logic Nami>Zoro.

      Again Outilers don’t work when consistent scaling and speed feats debunk this.

      https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/2/2a/Nami_redirects_a_lightning.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20181205024522
      Also Eeneru stated she anmdodged prepping with a current to redirect the attack using weather, so even Eneeru debunks you here.

      Besides if we argue any outliers, Peil would have superior durability to any strawhat as he tanked a nuke at point blank range, something Franky barely survived despite having a metal body and given no CP9 member has shown anything close to that level of destructive power, by your logic Peil>CP9 Minus Lucci. It the feat is not consistent with the feats shown, we call that an outiler.




      Also the scene is treated as a gag scene, BTW Zoro and Sanji couldn’t evade the same attack and btiched at Nami afterwards so again your disingenous narrative crumbles. Funny how i know more about your favorite manga more than you do and yet you probably one of them tards that think i know nothing about One Piece.


      Also by your logic, Zoro and Sanji have shit durablity if they can be defeated by a single ligntingg strike that can take out fodder yet Kafila who’s way weaker than them can still fight afterwards.

      “Zoro attempts to block Enel ”

      Keyword, attempt. The desperation is strong with you when you think an attempt equals success. Just like you attempting to prove me wrong only to consistently prove me correct.




      Do tell me how well it worked for Zoro’s attempt, That debunks him being Lightning speed when he objectively can’t dodge it. This isn’t daycare where you get a participation trophy, you either dodge the fucking Lightning or don’t trying to claim he attempted is a vaild argument ?Nigga miss me with that gay shit.

      If you’re a calcer for VS Battle wiki and not some drone repeating their garbage calcs, it’s idiots like you are calcing for VS Battle wiki, its no wonder the site is so shit and calcs are laughable like Kid Naruto pre chunin exams being Hypersonic when he’s not even Sound speed and objectively slower than Zaku and Dosu who were fodderizing Weighted clothing Lee who stomped Sasuke in speed who was WAY faster than Land of Waves Naruto. Site has gone downhill with it’s scaling and calcs.

      ” Luffy reacts to Enel ”

      Reacting where? You just show me a panel of him standing still, simply knowing the attack is coming=/= as fast as the attack. That’s not a reaction at all.

      People can see someone about to shoot them, doesn’t mean they can react nor dodge the attack. Your arguments are trash and you should honestly feel ashamed of yourself trying to argue this crap. Where is the dodging part? Knowing an attack is coming is not the same as reacting to it, reaction speed is where you can evade the attack even narrowly, your scan doesn’t prove shit.

      https://imgur.com/QvwFRXF
      https://imgur.com/J7ztSHh
      https://imgur.com/o36L7os
      https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-830157065277a37a2712c68faae845a7-pjlq
      Also how convenient that you ignore Luffy couldn’t hit Eneeru at all while he was moving at Lightning speed.

      The only times Luffy landed any hits on Eeneru is when he tricked Eneeru’s Mantra Ie when he wasn’t in Lightning speed form which Luffy was able to outhink by literally turning his brain off so he never dodged Eneru in Lighting speed form or any of his Lightning attacks. If Luffy wasn’t made of rubber, Enel would have instantly killed all the strawhats were they stood.

      “So Kalifa’s Lightining Block outlier how? ”




      Because she literally failed to dodge Lightning the other times she was attacked with Lightning. Pretty blatant the feat is an outiler or an aimdodge,especially when mountains of evidence show she’s not even close to the speed of Sanji who was WAY slower than Lightning. Whoa you found one “feat” where she “dodged” Lightning.



      Totally not an aimdodge/outlier right? Noth like she saw the cloud forming before the attack, unless you want to claim the cloud is Lightning speed as well, then you have no argument whatsoever and your argument is just utter faggotry.

      It’s like calming Vice Captains in Bleach can dodge “Light” yet Hiyori who’s FAR above a Vice Captain can’t even react to Gin’s Shikai which is utter fodder to his Bankai speed which is only Mach 500. Concrete feats and scaliing outpace any outielrs/trash fan feats/wank. Prove to me Kaifia can react to the Lightning itself…oh wait you can’t because if she can outrun lightning, she would’ve never lost to Nami who was far weaker than her and far slower than her and her only way of beating her is Lightning based attacks.

      You OPtards are just like the Bleachtards, arguing against what’s presented within your own manga and watching you fags cope is beyond hilarious



      Also is Kafila faster than Wano Arc Zoro and Luffy who can’t dodge Lightning? Are these massive outilers?Yep but they’re eqaully as vaild as claiming Kafila who gets speedbltized by actual Lightning is Lightning speed as claiming two characters WAY above Pre skip Eneru and their pre skip selves are slower than Lightning

      “Oda states that Luffy was training his Devil Fruit showing that Devil Fruit abilities can get stronger, meaning that Kizaru could be well above Light Speed. ”

      >Calims you’re not trying to wank Kizaru to FTL
      >Wanks Kizaru to FTL

      That statement doesn’t back your narrative nor prove Kizaru is faster than Light. Also Paramericas aren’t the same as Logias, try again.
      Also he fact you’re cherry picking statements is a blatant double standard. So Oda expleicty states no one in One Piece can naturally react to light and you deny it yet you listen to a quote that supports your agenda?

      Until you PROVE to me Kizaru’s lasers are faster than Light IE say bltiziing someone with lasers like that of Queen or a full power bloodlusted Kuma, you have NO arugment, this is merely speculation on your part. Is it possible for Kizaru to be FTL?Yes, but there’s a difference between maybe and defintie and you definitely have no edivence that Kizaru is FTL Unless you think Kizaru can be on par with Gear 5th Luffy





      By your logic, Luffy isn’t even above sound speed because Oda had a guy moving at 200km blitz him.

      “Luffy dodges photons all the way back in Long Ring Long Land(which is canon) ”

      So fucking Foxy who’s weaker than Lucci is somehow as fast as Kizaru?:Laugh: the level of faggotry is strong here.

      Frist of all this can effortlessly debunked
      We know that Foxy uses photons, but is there proof that it even behaves like real light? No one even regards that Foxy’s “photon” isn’t even confimed to be a real substance. Let’s look at that list of criteria to prove it is lightspeed:

      These are the criteria to prove it is real light:

      The beam refracts in a new material, such as a liquid or…
      The beam reflects off a material that it can be expected to, such as a non-magical mirror
      The beam is called lightspeed by reliable sources
      It is stated to be made of photons or light itself, again by a reliable source
      It has its origin at a realistic source of light, such as a camera

      Furthermore, there are a few criteria which show a beam is NOT real light:

      It is shown at different speeds in the same material
      It is tangible and can be interacted with physically by normal humans
      They do not travel in straight lines (unless you can prove refraction/reflection, see above)

      Now let’s see if Foxy really has lightspeed attacks.

      The beam reflects off a material that it can be expected to, such as a non-magical mirror: ✅

      This is the only criteria is actually fills. However:

      This alone completely debunks that it is even close to lightspeed. He says himself that it’s unknown to science and that it changes the velocity within any material.

      It is shown at different speeds in the same material ❌

      The beam isn’t called lightspeed by reliable sources ❌

      And it gets worse. Do people remember that Foxy can make a sword out of his photons?
      https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c3644b034e3a11af3e5562c5f729e276-pjlq
      This also completely debunks it. He can curve his light beams and it’s a sword that can be interacted with normal humans, plus they are coming out of his hands once again. How was this even possible that people would use this to get anyone who dodges him even close to lightspeed?

      It does not travel in straight lines ❌

      It is tangible and can be interacted with physically by humans ❌

      It’s origin is not at a realistic source of light, such as a camera ❌

      Like, HOW?
      https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f289b82f0350fa4b4d6447ed5f58a83f-lq

      BTW he uses a particle unknown to science so it’s not lightspeed.

      “so all that being said, is he still not Lightspeed? If that won’t convince you than I have nothing left to say.”

      More like you got no actual argument faggot and you know you lost, try again later faggot.

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  12. The fact that I’ve told you multiple times to debate me but you still ducking me cuz you know you will get slaped , this is the last time i will ask you , can you please drop your discord or your Instagram or Twitter , cuz we need to debate that topic ?

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    1. I legit don’t recall ever meeting you but since you want to get into a debate. Meet me later at around 9:00 PM EST, my discord is Erza#2497, i’m assuming you want to debate One Piece being Lightspeed. I already answered the arguments but i’ll be glad to slap your faggot ass around. Hell we can debate here if you choose, doesn’t matter the battelfeild, your faggot ass is going to lose anyways,.

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      1. So you basically wanna get yo ass slaped , imma ready to debunk your shitty ass arguments, i can assume that your bc or naruto fan which will make it easier for me cuz you will get dogwalked terribly , I’ve add so you can debate me whenever you feel good to get slammed either in debate or in bed

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  13. I look forward to embarassing you badly. also don’t really know much about Black Clover but given you’re some faggot talking shit, come debate me bitch.

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    1. Yeah + I think it’s better if you shut yo ass up cuz getting dogwalked terribly after what you said that will hurt you ugly ass

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      1. Is that why you ran away faggot? Yeah you blocked me because you were losing, enjoy the next post faggot, because everyone here would be pointing and laughing at you.

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      2. Man what ?😭 You’ve became the clown of the century , I’ve post the whole debate in tiktok , everyone is laughing at you’re shitty ass debate skills 💀 next post ? You will literally post how you was getting yo ass slaped you , I’m waiting for it 🤓

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      3. Kid what ?😭 You’ve became the clown of the century , I’ve post the whole debate in tiktok , everyone is laughing at you’re shitty ass debate skills 💀 next post ? You will literally post how you was getting yo ass slaped you , I’m waiting for it 🤓

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  14. Also I’d trust Ideashock more than you because at least he doesn’t pointlessly use slurs and personal attacks practically unprovoked. No one called you stupid, no one insulted you as a person and you retaliate against them with such remarks. It’s been stated in an sbs quote “He can stretch them really far. Right now, Luffy can stretch about 72 Gomu Gomus. But Luffy is now working hard, trying to achieve 100 Gomu Gomus record.” Showing that Devil Fruit powers can get stronger with their user. In One Piece Episode Ace, Ace fails to burn Whitebeard’s skin at first, but leaves noticeable burn through his Gura Gura defense. This would mean that Light Speed is the base line for a Pika Pika no mi user’s speed. And as Kizaru is far far more powerful than an average human he could likely be far far above Light Speed, by this logic, Enel may be faster than average lightning. The photon bending argument is valid though.

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    1. https://vsbattles.com/threads/prohibiting-the-silencing-of-ftl-one-piece.123707/

      Since you’re insisting on wasting my time with this crap, might as well debunk your arguments.

      “Kizaru has it because he is light, has statements of lightspeed, and has shown to reflect off of surfaces.”

      https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-71b5ede8bf9c6243cf62d57349e17a0b-lq
      https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e5145b974e5bf0bb937d27027e418cc7-pjlq
      onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Borsa…
      He’s Lightspeed and the fastest in the verse.
      “Franky, the Pacifista, Kuma, and Queen have it because they’ve all replicated his laser into their technology, plus they’re from “realistic technological sources”.

      Kuma and Frankly are debatable but even then Frnaky doesn’t scale speed wise to this as he has nothing close to the speed of Marco feat wise so try again. As for Kuma, Kuma would be relative to Marco and Kizaru so the claims are more credible.

      “Niji has it because he has a statement of being able to move at lightspeed.”

      Statements=/=Feats. Ichiji has decent Obserraviton haki dodging feat wth Oven which makes him Relastvic, not quite lightspeed as Observraiton Haki is aim dodging.

      “Kuma has it again because he intercepted Kizaru and Rayleigh.”

      “This is a statement that is not stated, like at all.
      Oda has never made a single STATEMENT that says that Kizaru is the fastest in the verse.
      Oda has NEVER done this, and he has given statements of superiority for many characters.”

      https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-71b5ede8bf9c6243cf62d57349e17a0b-lq
      https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e5145b974e5bf0bb937d27027e418cc7-pjlq
      onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Borsa…
      Literally this says otherwise faggot That and the canon OVA repeadtely state doding light is impossible with speed alone in One Piece, this is not an argument, this is desperate copium on your part.

      He has given Akainu the devil fruit with the “highest offensive power”.
      He has given WB the “strongest Paramecia”.
      He has given WB the “strongest pirate”.
      He has given Oden the “strongest sword style”.
      He has given Speed Jiru (an irrelevant character) the “fastest member of the Whitebeard Pirates”, which means he scales above both Whitebeard and Marco, who have both intercepted lightspeed from Kizaru.
      He has given Mihawk the “strongest swordsman”.
      He has given Big Mom the “strongest hag”.
      He has given Benn Beckman the “highest IQ that we’ve seen so far” earlier in the series.
      He even gave Aokiji the “strongest marine”.
      He has given Kaido the “strongest beast” regardless of hearsay or not.”

      You’re desperately playing word games here, it’s fallalcious to try to claim that because Kizaru wasn’t explicitly stated to be the fastest character(Even though he was pretty much outright) that it’s not backed by evidence. Show me a single character blitzing Kizaru in Pika Pika No Mi at his top speed and then i’ll change my mind.

      Oda is generous with these titles, he will give everyone a title of superiority if he desires, but until this day he has never done so for Kizaru.

      “So saying that he’s the fastest with absolutely no basis is just wrong.”

      Literally the anime, manga and Oda say hi faggot.

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    2. “Kizaru, until now, has fought 3 super strong people, and did not use his famous Pika Pika lightspeed attacks.”

      “Against Rayleigh, after he got casually intercepted (this time he was firing a laser as he got intercepted), TWICE, he just formed his light sword and ended up fighting Rayleigh with his regular speed here, here, and here. No light eminating from his limbs.”

      Not an argument as as you said ,Rayleigh countered his speed making his Pika Pika making speed useless, doesn’t mean shit and just seems like desperate coping.

      “Against Marco, after he got casually intercepted, he was either using laser spam like before or he attacked him off guard here and here, but he mainly fought with his regular physicals.”





      Literally debunked by the fact he bltized Marco and was able to seal him with cuffs,

      “Against Whitebeard, he got intercepted by a more injured Whitebeard. and he only managed to hit him with lightspeed lasers when he held him down via his Bisento. “
      https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/863171196035661834/880539371982442506/0570-012.png?width=741&height=1170

      Whitebeard literally failed to dodge him retard, you ltierally see him using Pika Pika to evade his attacks, if anything you actually did me a favor of debunking One Piece being Lightspeed let alone FTL when Whitebeard who Kaido compares to is not even capable of catching Kizaru.

      https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/863171196035661834/880539264654393394/0571-008.png?width=741&height=1170
      Also are we reading the same manga? Kizaru blatantly blitzed Whitebeard, it was nowhere close to relative, Kizaru literally bltized him which clowns on your FTL arguments entirely.

      “Even when he shot the ones at him from the ones that Marco intercepted, Whitebeard was casually commenting on the brightness of the lasers.”

      So?is that now the crowing statement for FTL speeds ? So me saying the sun is bright now makes me FTL, i’m now faster than light by your logic.

      Light is bright fucktard, NO SHIT IT’S BRIGHT. If Whitebeard as faster than light, he can dodge light

      https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/863171196035661834/880539264654393394/0571-008.png?width=741&height=1170
      Which we see here, HE CAN’T . LOL GET CLOWNED BY YOUR OWN MANGA FAGGOT!
      “But who does Kizaru use regular lightspeed on?Actual literal regular fodder.The likes of Arlong.A half dead Zoro who can’t move. Usopp carrying Zoro and Brook until Rayleigh intervened. X Drake Hawkins, again, again, again, again.
      Urouge.
      Injured Luffy, again, again, again, again.
      Buggy.
      Law.
      Apoo.”

      The laughable claim that his speed is used only for Fodder is such blatant cherrypicking on your part and deiblerately dishonest on your part




      Is Whitbeard Fodder?He used it against him






      Or Marco? Talk about busted nigga. This is why VS Battle wiki is a joke nowadays with clowns like you writing forms. Literally all it takes to debunk your blatant disingenuous cope is a siomple google search.



      Also his Lasers would ltierally be moving at lightspeed fucktard, nice try faggot. Given they’re made of photons, they would also be as fast as his teleporaiton/movement speed. Literally the strongest character, a guy comparable to Kaido couldn’t dodge Light.

      “Kizaru would SPAM lightspeed for everybody in the manga except for the stronger tier characters in the series.”

      >Calims Kizaru doesn’t spam lightspeed for top tiers
      >Forgets he spammed Lasers against Marco and Whitebeard.
      >Literally btizes Whitebeard using Pika Pika

      This is seriously what you consider a big own fag? This is why i don’t respect tards like you because you insult my intelligence with this poorly written dribble.

      “Oda has given Vinsmoke Niji, one character who has absolutely nothing to do with Kizaru, lightspeed.

      Qliphoth_Bacikal, prior to their leave, translated this

      雷を纏う剣で繰り出す光速の斬撃! 一撃で的確に敵を屠る剣術と高い動体視力を持つ。

      A lightning-cloaked blade drawn out and attacks at the speed of light! With a high dynamic vision, he has the swordsmanship to kill his enemies in a single stroke.

      This was accepted in this CRT to be valid.
      And because of this, his reaction speed was calculated since his vivre card statement said that he had “high dynamic vision” hinting to his reaction/perception speed.

      If anybody is ever stated to be the “fastest in the verse”, then they would scale above Niji, who is SoL, making them FTL.”

      Statements=/=feats. By this logic, Haku was stated in the databooks to be lightspeed meaning Part 1 Sasuke is FTL by your logic.

      Also Ihciji does have a “FTL” feat however given Observraiton Haki is used by top tiers, it at best puts his speed at High Relastvtic until your can prove to me he can literally move at Lightspeed without Observraiton Haki aimdodge hax.

      https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e5145b974e5bf0bb937d27027e418cc7-pjlq

      Because it still doesn’t go against the claim that NO OP character can perceive lightspeed without Observation Haki.n Rayleigh a top tier in the verse literally intercepted Kizaru with Observation Haki hax so i’m pretty sure his word of mouth and Odas statements >>>>>>Ichji statements of being Lightspeed. Unless you can claim anyone can blitz Kizaru’s Lightspeed, you don’t got a good argument.

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    3. “Pre Timeskip we have
      Silvers Rayleigh intercepting Kizaru’s lightspeed movement.
      Edward Newgate intercepting Kizaru’s lightspeed movement.”
      I thought Kizaru didn’t use Lightspeed on top tiers?Oh look your own shit calc debunks your whole narrative,HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!



      Also by intercept, you mean get bltized because Whitebeard literally couldn’t react to Kizaru’s Lightspeed teleportation. That’s not an FTL feat in the slightest when the guy who has Aramaent Haki straight up missses the Light Logia clown. Bro you just exposed not only your lack of credibility but why i clown on VS Battle and Ideashock.

      “Post Timeskip we have
      Wano Arc Monster Point Chopper dodging Queen’s laser.”




      So CHopper who’s not even Gear 4 level has faster reaction feats than Whitebeard who’s Kaido level WHO CAN’T DODGE LIGHT ?HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! This smells of either an Outielr or aim dodge because it took Sanji a whole amp to dodge Light.

      “Wano Arc Sanji dodging Queen’s laser.”

      Which required him to get stronger than before to do so.

      “Marco dodging Queen’s laser”

      Which is consistent with the fact that Marco can keep up with Kizaru and consistent with Observation Haki



      Which is proven you need to use to keep up with lightspeed users as Whitebeard failed to use it and got bltized without it..
      “Kizaru reacting to his own movement.”

      How is reacting to his own movements FTL?talk about major reach clown!

      “Niji reacting to his own movement.”
      Which would make him lightspeed jackass, not FTL. That’s like calming i can run as fast as a normal human, hence i’m as fast as Usian Bolt because i can react to my own movement speed. You OPtards are even dumber than Luffy to think this even a valid argument.
      “Hawkins perceiving Kizaru’s kick.”


      He was so good preciving that he couldn’t even move at all and gets himself hit .
      “X Drake perceiving Kizaru’s kick.”
      https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/8/8c/Drake_to_Borsalino.png/revision/latest?cb=20210711002154
      Drake is FTL when he couldn’t react to shit, what because his eyeballs moved a cm while Kizaru kicked, he’s now relative to a guy who was slow motion to.






      I guess by that logic, Naruto and Sasuke are FTL because they can react to Haku who was so fast, they move at slow motion.

      X Drake got bltized badly by Kizaru, calming he’s even Massively Hypersonic+ from this is beyond comical and beyond faggotry when a character is being bltized this badly. Oh he barely saw the laser coming, good want a fucking cookie faggot ?

      Bro that’s like claiming you see someone fire a gun yet you can’t see the bullet coming and claiming you are bullet level speed. I know SJW fags like you are rasied with Parrcaption Trophies and shit but you either actually dodge the fucking attack or you don’t, there’s no second places here. X Drake couldn’t move a cm let alone react, therefore he got bltized.








      This is like saying ichigo can tell he got stabbed by Byakuya, hence he’s the same speed as Byakuya when it’s blatantly obvious it’s the polar opposite of reality, but then again you OPtards are quickly proving to be even more delusional than Bleachtards.
      If Drake was FTL, he would outright dodge Kizaru’s kick, it’s simple as that. He’s not and not even close.

      “And on the possibility that Ichiji’s lasers are lightspeed.
      Ichiji outrunning his lasers.”
      All i see is the anime verison, wheres the manga scans for this that matter more than the anime?
      https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/f/f8/Katakuri_Defeats_Ichiji.png/revision/latest?cb=20180624025523
      So you’re saying Icihji who mind you got jobbed to Kakatruki
      https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-90fc751accdcf43a23c69c91aba330d3
      Who Luffy needed to completely Extreme diff with Gear 4th


      Yet got completely jobbed out to Kaido and needed Gear 5th to win



      Is somehow faster than Whitbeard who scales to Big Mom,WHO CAN’T DODGE LIGHT?

      “Argument from Incredulity at it’s finest.
      The only one with actual combat speed feats of being FTL are the high tier characters.”

      Which is only possible thanks to Observraiton Haki which Raliegh literally states is the only way to dodge Lightspeed attacks at all. Aim dodging isn’t Lightspeed or Batman and Spiderman would be FTL.

      “Unless there are more FTL feats I don’t know about, most of the feats are done by stronger higher tier characters.”

      All your arguments have been debunked by either your own manga, common sense or basic logic. Kizaru’s speed>Whitebeard literally failed to dodge lasers and Whitbeard >everyone else who’s not Adriminal/Yonko level

      “ Kizaru, or something as fast as Kizaru’s light form, has been perceived several times by Basil Hawkins already.The one moment Kizaru uses his raw speed, Hawkins (while amped) can’t perceive him.It being “weird” doesn’t matter. Don’t we have characters that use lightning attacks, but are faster? What about the sound users who use sound based attacks but are far superior? It’s not a fair or valid argument at all.”



      https://imgur.com/a/243edaG
      Funny how Kizaru casually curbstomped both Luffy and Zoro and effortlessly blitzed not only them
      https://imgur.com/a/tAclQ
      https://imgur.com/a/rpW6v
      https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-85d5a5393c71a94f61a996ee1156a420-lq








      But all the other SUpernovas who are all Relative to Zoro and Luffy.

      https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-105755627876c61f5090d7bf558f060a-lq
      https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7e25af9aea6e7426caf27720cc9382bc-lq

      Meanwhile the strawhats and the supernovas are dodging Pasfactia lasers. Either light works vastly different in one piece in which you have two sperate tiers of light or one laser is clearly MUCH SLOWER THAN THE OTHER.


      For fucksake USSOP CAN OUTRUN THEM!

      https://imgur.com/a/4ATZe

      https://imgur.com/a/txGjA
      Same Ussop who struggles to dodge rockets,explosives and gunfire, unless you’re saying rockets and bullets also move at Lightspeed, then you got no argument.
      https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/b/b7/Kaido%27s_Thunder_Bagua.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20220702080552
      Given there’s a blatant speed gap between Post Dressora Luffy and Kaido who casually blitzes Lufffy in Gear 4th And Kaido’s minions are too much for Zoro and Snaji’s previous limits and both NEEDED to achieve a new level of power entirely in their fights to keep up .And one of those minions happen to have actual Lightspeed attacks

      https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/8/80/Marco_Talks_to_Queen.png/revision/latest?cb=20210412233943
      https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/f/f8/MarcoPXquenn_%283%29.png/revision/latest?cb=20210412042131
      Which is comparable to Marco’s speed

      Who can react to Kizarus Lightspeed
      It’s safe to say that NO ONE PRE DRESSORA is Lightspeed within the strawhats.

      Hell Big Mom was hit by Lightning attacks from Nami which i doubt increased her attack speed given her abilties are fixated on nature and not DF power so can’t evolve past their limaitons so that’s a clear debunk of anyone in Pre skip being FTL unless they’re relative to Kizaru
      Granted Big Mom wasn’t taking Nami seriously and we know she’s equal to Kaido

      Buit it only makes the scaling for Luffy’s speed worse as in Whole Cake Island, he couldn’t blitz Big Mom in Gear 4th and she was holding back against him so this further debunks any Pre skip Lightspeed feat if Big Mom who’s WAY faster than Pre skip strawhats can’t even dodge Lightning in her suppressed form yet was able to block the fastest and strongest strawhat at the time with little efofrt.





      Given Zoro was getting bltized by Lightning Pre Skip, Lightning is MUCH slower than Light this is pretty consistent with showings from Big Mom and timeskip characters.

      HELL HE CAN’T EVEN DODGE LIGHTNING POST TIMESKIP IN THE WANO ARC,LOL.

      NEITHER COULD LUFFFY, DOUBLE LOL.

      Which sounds more plausible, Kizaru being FTL in a verse that has ZERO concrete Lightspeed feats and based on contradictory claims and statements
      https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0c7501b82c7af6c8bed9b7488f10cf7d-pjlq

      Or Kizaru being the only confirmed Lightspeed character and only top tier Observation haki users having any kind of reflexes and reaction speed to keep up. Unless you claiming Oda is wrong about Kizaru being the fastest in the verse and that you know more about Obseratvion Haki than the guy who made it, you have no argument. Literally your god Oda claims no one in the verse is faster than Kizaru and they can only keep up if they mastered Obsevartion Haki, this puts a nail in the coffin of your dead arugment.












      Also how do you reconcile the fact that it takes a literal timeskip, several arcs and Sanji unlocking his Grema roots and heritage to actually dodge Lasers, Real Lasers BTW that are able to keep up with Marco.





      And it took Zoro a new sword which enhanced his powers to dodge an attack compared to that of Beam of Light
      https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-105755627876c61f5090d7bf558f060a-lq
      https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7e25af9aea6e7426caf27720cc9382bc-lq
      While claiming that Luffy and Zoro can dodge them pre skip.

      So according to your faggot logic Pre Skip Zoro and Luffy>>>>>Timeskip Wano Arc Sanji.


      Also Zoro never dodged Kuma’s laser, look carefully, in the panels you can see him visibly hurt from the explosion so that’s another debunk.


      Zoro was also effortlessly biltzed by Kizaru, which again debunks the narrative that the lasers are remotely the same as Kizaru’s light beams and Zoro was just as severely weakened as he was back in Thriller Bark post-Oars battle and in fact in both battles suffering the exact same injuries so don’t give me this”weakened” arugment.







      Another debunk to your argument is Kuma’s “Light speed “ pads. Given Kuma was directly aligned with Rayeleigh and casually blitzed the strawhats MUCH later on and Kuma is a top tier comparable to Marco, Sabo and Ace and none of the strawhats are anywhere close to Adrimial level and was testing/saving the strawhats, it’s safe to say even if he can actually attack at lightspeed, he was massively holding back against Zoro and the strawhats.
      https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:KingTempest16/Kaidou%27s_Thunder_Bagua_Speed
      So really the only objectively FTL characters within the series by powerscaling and feats would be Whitebeard who’s superior to the 3 Admirals overall, Kaido, Maybe Big Mom, Shanks and now Gear 5 Luffy, Post Grema Sanji and Zoro might also be there who should scale within the range . Literally no one aside from the strongest pirates reach FTL.


      And even then Observation Haki makes light dodging an Aim dodge more than debunks their speed being narutally at this range as they are reacting to predictions of attacks, meaning they are barely FTL with normal combat reaction speeds.After all its’ stated you need at least mastered Observraiton Haaki to dodge Light.
      .
      https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-fc9a12b76af941c0e2943b22bdf6061a-lq
      https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-88be6e8779d8a028a6883fff646406f7-lq
      Same Luffy couldn’t evade Lighnting pre skip which is not even 1/100th the speed of Light and only beat Eneeru because of Eneeru’s arrogance and his own immunity to lightning attacks. Zoro and Sanji who rival Luffy in speed were getting casually stomped by Lightning attacks by Eneeru so they’re nowhere close to Lightspeed.

      https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7d4af97d03d0bd511c20e37318b25f42
      https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-fbeb535a107d59cf527e3a1b8f792c5a
      https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6f035b99b11c6524b5c87f76357be522
      It’s not biased if it’s based on facts retard. Literally no Supernova dodged Kizaru’s attacks, attacks confirmed to be Lightspeed,this debunks them being FTL from the getgo and debunks the Pasfscita lasers being Lightspeed as the Supernovas can dodge those but not Kizaru using actual light form. Also shows they noticed him mid light form, they were all suprised when he appeared so that is another debunk.

      https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0c7501b82c7af6c8bed9b7488f10cf7d-pjlq
      Unless you claim Oda is wrong about Kizaru being the fastest in the verse and that you know more about Obseratvion Haki than the guy who made it, you have no argument.

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    4. https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0c7501b82c7af6c8bed9b7488f10cf7d-pjlq
      Oh really faggot then what does this say again? This is literally from the word of god itself, are you saying you know better than the guy who literally created One Piece? He’s considered the top tier in speed and “possibly the fastest in the verse” by One Piece Wiki and Oda himself but lemme guess, you’re one the one right here and i’m wrong?

      In the 2DY One Piece Special canon to the manga, Rayleigh states that no one can move at the speed of Light and only those who mastered Observation Haki can hope to react or dodge lightspeed attacks. This puts a nail in the coffin of any OPtard claiming Pre skip Luffy is even close to Lightspeed. Either i’m lying or you’re the one full of shit.


      https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e5145b974e5bf0bb937d27027e418cc7-pjlq
      It’s repeatedly stated that Observation Haki makes one react to things faster than themselves to a cetrain extent. The only characters who can be argued to move FTL even without Observation haki are Kaido( who bltized Gear 4th Luffy) Whitebeard( who scales to him) and anyone of Yokno level,and of course Gear 5th Luffy, all objectively faster and stronger than Kizaru himself.

      https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0e0eaded26e640109ebd2ad7b2404c4f-pjlq
      BTW Aimdoging isn’t a speed nor counts as legit speed.This is what people call Aimdoging, Aim Dodging refers to the technique of avoiding linear attacks by re-positioning oneself away from the path of the attack before it is fired. The user can avoid linear attacks MUCH FASTER THAN THEMSELVES by simply quickly positioning themselves away from the path of the attack before it is fired.

      “Foxy.Pacifista.Franky.Queen.We finished?”

      He’s objectively not lightspeed, if anything his Noro Beam produces photons which are not measurable by science.

      You also have to claim that characters who can’t dodge light Are faster than Whitebeard who can dodge Light, Queen and Franky use lasers, which doesn’t mean either can react or move at that speed. That’s like saying I have a gun and I can fire bullets hence I’m as fast as a bullet and as fot the Pasfactias, been debunking that argument.

      “Also Artur Bacca from the Law novel, who shot out light beams (and I’ve explained here how all “beams” in One Piece are lightspeed).”
      So is Sanji faster than Kizaru?Faster than Whitebeard?

      “Kaido.Kaido blitzed Luffy with his Thunder Bagua technique while he was using future sight.The same Luffy who called Lightspeed slow with/without a weaker Observation Haki.”

      The Pasffsictas aren’t Lightspeed, try again fag.

      Also Kadio is equal to Whitebeard who can’t react to a blitz from Kizaru. I do agree he’s FTL BTW but your arguments are shit.

      “This is based off of the Library of Ohara’s summaries of the Vivre cards, which is just wrong and has been wrong on several occasions.This is wrong. Observation Haki is never stated at all.”
      So because they’re wrong sometimes, therefore they can’t be trusted

      Meanwhile you cite Pafscita lasers being lightspeed despite mountains of evidence against your narrative. Hypocrisy much?

      “The middle right portion of the scan is the part that talks about Kizaru’s ability and Haki.

      回避や移動にも有効な能力なので、熟練した覇気使いでないと移動一つ止める事は叶わない。

      With an effective ability over movement and evasion, only a skilled Haki user can stop someone in a single move.”

      Which isn’t a contradiction given the only person to stop him mid move was Rayleigh who taught Luffy Haki and is clearly a top tier within the verse, again your argument is invaild and sounds desperate.

      “But Tempest, his devil fruit is about speed, so why would they be talking about Armament Haki when it could easily be talking about Observation Haki? “

      That phrase shows a scan of Marco kicking Kizaru while it says that.

      Rayleigh’s vivre card says this phrase.

      油軍大将をも足止めする”武装色”の冴え。

      Roughly translates to

      Skill with Armament that even prevents the Navy Admiral from leaving.

      Notice “武装色”, which means Armament Haki. Observation Haki, or “見聞色”, is never stated here.

      So no, the “exceptional Observation Haki” is never stated.”


      Rayleigh says hi again, he literally states you need Observation Haki to keep up with lightspeed, the level of desperate tapdancing is strong with your OPtards.

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  15. “Also I’d trust Ideashock more than you because at least he doesn’t pointlessly use slurs and personal attacks practically unprovoked. “

    I only use slurs and insults to lying faggots like you who don’t know how to debate and use discredited and debunked arguments in a pitiful attempt to wank their verse. I don’t need to repeat myself to an idiot who keeps wanking the same arugment i debunked a billion times already.

    Ideashock is the same faggot who thinks Luffy can beat Naruto which is beyond comical. Luffy is large star level which is also beyond wank, this is more wank than VS Battle Wiki claiming Bleach is Universal. Luffy would lose to Pein Arc Sage Naruto Mid Diff at best, dont even try me with this gay shit nigga.

    “No one called you stupid, no one insulted you as a person and you retaliate against them with such remarks. “

    Did i trigger you snowflake? Good stay mad faggot, like i give a fuck what a Ideashock cocksucking faggot dick rider has to say about scaling and feats when you tards just wank bullshit and downplay verses.

    “It’s been stated in an sbs quote “He can stretch them really far. Right now, Luffy can stretch about 72 Gomu Gomus. “

    And?That’s entirely irrelevant bro

    “”But Luffy is now working hard, trying to achieve 100 Gomu Gomus record.” ‘

    Again not sure how that has anything to do with the debunks here.

    “Showing that Devil Fruit powers can get stronger with their user. “

    That’s an Equivocation fallacy you’re committing, you’re assuming all Devil Fruits and Devil Fruit users work the same which they don’t, not even by narrative.


    Logias are different from Paramericas, they don’t have awakening forms and no edivence exists that they can evolve their devil fruits like Parameica or in this case Zoans since Luffy is now a Zoan fruit user.. Until you can provide edivence s Logia can grow stronger like a Paramerica or Zoan, you have no evidence for any of your claims. Luffy’s Devil Fruit doesn’t work the same as Law or Kids let alone Kizaru, try again faggot.

    “In One Piece Episode Ace, Ace fails to burn Whitebeard’s skin at first but leaves a noticeable burn through his Gura Gura defense. This would mean that Light Speed is the baseline for a Pika Pika no mi user’s speed.”

    Uhh, the fuck are you on to claim Ace is as fast as Kizaru? Kizaru is faster than literally everyone in the verse with maybe the exceptions of Gear 5th Luffy, Full Power Kaido, and Whitebeard and even then that’s a highball. Nothing in the narrative backs them being physically faster than Kizaru.

    https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0e0eaded26e640109ebd2ad7b2404c4f-pjlq
    and they are only relative because of Observation Haki which is aim dodging which doesn’t speed period,otherwise, i can wank Sasuke to being FTL because he dodged Haku who’s “Lightspeed” according to the databooks which while it’s bullshit still has better backing than any claim that anyone below Kizaru power and speed wise narratively is above Lightspeed.

    https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-71b5ede8bf9c6243cf62d57349e17a0b-lq
    Word of God states Observation Haki, not Armament Haki, good try though.
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    Rayleigh confirms it’s nearly impossible to see attacks moving at Lightspeed. Unless you think Rayleigh is lying and think Oda who has repeatedly stated Lightspeed is the fastest speed in the verse, you got no argument.
    Also, Kizaru is literally a top tier and can turn his body into Photons, and in the Author’s own words and writing is the Fastest One Piece character if we’re talking about Author intent, then Kizaru’s Lightspeed would be merely nothing special as opposed to the fastest speed in the verse. If you ask Oda who is the fastest character and why it would be Kizaru and as described by Kizaru’s Devil Fruit “Nothing is faster than Light”, this is an example of Author intent.
    onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Borsa…
    Kizaru possesses the power of the Pika Pika no Mi, meaning ‘glimmer’ or ‘light’, a Logia-type Devil Fruit that grants him the powers of the element of light. As a Logia-user, he is able to let objects pass through him and reconstruct his body from energy particles. He is capable of moving and attacking at the speed of light, and all of his attacks are based on the element of light, such as firing energy blasts from his fingertips or feet with extreme accuracy and precision. His power is very destructive, causing huge explosions and can easily destroy buildings. He also has the ability to reflect himself, essentially moving from one location to the next at the speed of light. Due to this fruit’s power, Kizaru is possibly the fastest man in the world.
    Borsalino has so far been shown using this fruit to travel at the speed of light (to the point of stating that Monkey D. Luffy in his Gear Second mode was “too slow”),[6] and to also drastically augment his kicks’ strength and speed. Even though he travels in light speed when mobile, it should be noted that it takes a few seconds for him to actually go into light speed, as Silvers Rayleigh was able to stop his movement by slashing at him with his sword and Borsalino had to stop to counter him.
    Borsalino has been using his fruit’s powers to launch powerful light-energy beam attacks at high speeds from his legs that can cause tremendous explosions. When shot from the fingers, the beams take on a piercing effect instead. He can blind and stun his opponents by emitting a large but quick burst of light from his fingers, similar to a flash grenade. He can also form a beam sword out of pure light. His Devil Fruit was further researched by Doctor Vegapunk, who technologically recreated his laser blasts in the PacifistaBartholomew Kuma and his likeness.[7] This technology was also used by Franky when modifying his cyborg body.
    In other words, the notion that other characters are Lightspeed or FTL is completely debunked using the author’s statements and intent. It would be completely far-fetched to think that Luffy is FTL yet was effortlessly blitzed by Kizaru and even more retard to think anyone is faster than light yet Kizaru who’s literally confirmed at lightspeed to be FTL.

    “And as Kizaru is far far more powerful than an average human he could likely be far above Light Speed, “

    A shit arugment. So is literally any none fodder human in One Piece, that’s not an argument to claim he moves faster than light because he’s above an average human, he’s expclity stated to be the speed of light fucktard.

    Thats like claiming any Shingiami in Bleach has to be lightspeed because they’re much stronger than normal humans, that’s a crap argument. Unless you have edivence he moves faster than light, you have no argument.

    Or claiming an average Naruto character is stronger than a human therefore they can destroy a planet. You are aware there are varying degrees of superhuman abilities in fiction, right?

    “by this logic, Enel may be faster than average lightning. “

    Which has been debunked by Eneru himself who stated he’s only as fast as Lightning. Gotta love you OPtards literally ignoring mountains of edivence against your narrative. He literally uses her natural elements in Logia or are you really that desperate to ignore facts that go against your narrative?

    “The photon bending argument is valid though.”

    Do you mean Foxy? Based on what evidence and even if you are correct it is, it’s still not Lightspeed objectively unless you think Foxy is as powerful and fast as Kizaru.

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  16. Please do tell me more about MFTL speed in One Piece when Kizaru completely debunks your arugment. You wouldn’t be the first satly OPtard I’ve debunked.

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    1. Oh hell nah 🤡 Did you just put a mistranslated vivre card and said that kizaru debunked me 💀 despite op having many mid tiers characters performing Ls Feats , And not talking about how you think that Asta , ichigo , Naruto who have terrible speed feats that they’re faster than Luffy , very very very very terrible and bad debunk with a terrible argument , i might need to do a video about it , GL Man

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      1. “Oh hell nah   Did you just put a mistranslated vivre card and said that kizaru debunked me  ”

        LOL, it does faggot, stay mad.

        https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0c7501b82c7af6c8bed9b7488f10cf7d-pjlq
        Oh really faggot then what does this say again? This is literally from the word of god itself, are you saying you know better than the guy who literally created One Piece? He’s considered the top tier in speed and “possibly the fastest in the verse” by One Piece Wiki and Oda himself but lemme guess, you’re one the one right here and I’m wrong?

        In the 2DY One Piece Special canon to the manga, Rayleigh states that no one can move at the speed of Light and only those who mastered Observation Haki can hope to react or dodge lightspeed attacks. This puts a nail in the coffin of any OPtard claiming Pre skip Luffy is even close to Lightspeed. Either i’m lying or you’re the one full of shit.

        https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e5145b974e5bf0bb937d27027e418cc7-pjlq
        It’s repeatedly stated that Observation Haki makes one react to things faster than themselves to a certain extent. The only characters who can be argued to move FTL even without Observation haki are Kaido( who bltized Gear 4th Luffy) Whitebeard( who scales to him) and anyone of Yokno level, and of course Gear 5th Luffy, all objectively faster and stronger than Kizaru himself.

        https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0e0eaded26e640109ebd2ad7b2404c4f-pjlq
        BTW Aimdoging isn’t a speed nor counts as legit speed.This is what people call Aimdoging, Aim Dodging refers to the technique of avoiding linear attacks by re-positioning oneself away from the path of the attack before it is fired. The user can avoid linear attacks MUCH FASTER THAN THEMSELVES by simply quickly positioning themselves away from the path of the attack before it is fired.

        You also have to claim that characters who can’t dodge light Are faster than Whitebeard who can dodge Light, Queen and Franky use lasers, which doesn’t mean either can react or move at that speed. That’s like saying I have a gun and I can fire bullets hence I’m as fast as a bullet and as fot the Pasfactias, been debunking that argument.

        Meanwhile, you cite Pafscita lasers being lightspeed despite mountains of evidence against your narrative. Hypocrisy much?

        Kizaru is literally Lightspeed, are you saying they’re faster than Kizaru when countless lore and evidence say otherwise? Fuck out here clown.  All i see is salty faggot tards like you whining that you’ve been debunked.

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        https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-fc9a12b76af941c0e2943b22bdf6061a-lq
        https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-88be6e8779d8a028a6883fff646406f7-lq
        Same Luffy couldn’t evade Lighnting pre skip which is not even 1/100th the speed of Light and only beat Eneeru because of Eneeru’s arrogance and his own immunity to lightning attacks. Zoro and Sanji who rival Luffy in speed were getting casually stomped by Lightning attacks by Eneeru so they’re nowhere close to Lightspeed.

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        It’s not biased if it’s based on facts retard. Literally no Supernova dodged Kizaru’s attacks, attacks confirmed to be Lightspeed,this debunks them being FTL from the getgo and debunks the Pasfscita lasers being Lightspeed as the Supernovas can dodge those but not Kizaru using actual light form. Also shows they noticed him mid light form, they were all suprised when he appeared so that is another debunk.

        https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0c7501b82c7af6c8bed9b7488f10cf7d-pjlq
        Unless you claim Oda is wrong about Kizaru being the fastest in the verse and that you know more about Obseratvion Haki than the guy who made it, you have no argument.

        onepiece.fandom.com/wiki/Borsa…
        Kizaru possesses the power of the Pika Pika no Mi, meaning ‘glimmer’ or ‘light’, a Logia-type Devil Fruit that grants him the powers of the element of light. As a Logia-user, he is able to let objects pass through him and reconstruct his body from energy particles. He is capable of moving and attacking at the speed of light, and all of his attacks are based on the element of light, such as firing energy blasts from his fingertips or feet with extreme accuracy and precision. His power is very destructive, causing huge explosions and can easily destroy buildings. He also has the ability to reflect himself, essentially moving from one location to the next at the speed of light. Due to this fruit’s power, Kizaru is possibly the fastest man in the world.

        Borsalino has so far been shown using this fruit to travel at the speed of light (to the point of stating that Monkey D. Luffy in his Gear Second mode was “too slow”),[6] and to also drastically augment his kicks’ strength and speed. Even though he travels in light speed when mobile, it should be noted that it takes a few seconds for him to actually go into light speed, as Silvers Rayleigh was able to stop his movement by slashing at him with his sword and Borsalino had to stop to counter him.

        Borsalino has been using his fruit’s powers to launch powerful light-energy beam attacks at high speeds from his legs that can cause tremendous explosions. When shot from the fingers, the beams take on a piercing effect instead. He can blind and stun his opponents by emitting a large but quick burst of light from his fingers, similar to a flash grenade. He can also form a beam sword out of pure light. His Devil Fruit was further researched by Doctor Vegapunk, who technologically recreated his laser blasts in the PacifistaBartholomew Kuma and his likeness.[7] This technology was also used by Franky when modifying his cyborg body.






        BTW, Kizaru blitzed Whitebeard, so there goes your narrative, Kizaru is the fastest in the verse and only lightspeed.

        , “And not talking about how you think that Asta , ichigo , Naruto who have terrible speed feats that they’re faster than Luffy ,”

        Asta has MANY concrete Lightspeed and FTL feats, so he speed blitzes Luffy, stay mad faggot. Stay mad Asta runs circles around your entire verse.

        Naruto has plenty of FTL feats including some feats in the novel that concretely put them at MFTL+ Speed

        Even Bleach has Top Tier who can dodge Light beams and at least FTL speed.

        ” very very very very terrible and bad debunk with a terrible argument , i might need to do a video about it , GL Man”

        Go ahead faggot, be glad to debunk that trash video clown.

        Been dying for a triggered faggot to make me youtube famous.

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  17. Oh hell nah 🤡 Did you just put a mistranslated vivre card and said that kizaru debunked me 💀 despite op having many mid tiers characters performing Ls Feats , And not talking about how you think that Asta , ichigo , Naruto who have terrible speed feats that they’re faster than Luffy , very very very very terrible and bad debunk with a terrible argument , i might need to do a video about it , GL Man

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  18. Only skimmed parts of this article so I’ll address a few things: Saying Sanji is slower than lightning because he couldn’t react to Eneru’s attacks is false because he still scales to Kalifa who did and this scaling is justified because we know for a fact that the Straw Hats and other characters get stronger arc after arc or gain massive jumps in power suddenly. For example, in Water 7, the Straw Hats get dominated by CP9 but in Enies Lobby, they match and even beat them. Law got dominated by Doflamingo in Dressrosa but barely a month later can keep up with Big Mom and Kaido. There is even a statement from Zoro confirming the crew gets stronger after every battle. IIRC, Oda stated that he dislikes training arcs as well. All in all, this means you can’t use Sanji’s performance in Skypia as proof that he isn’t faster than lightning because he is much stronger in Enies Lobby.

    As for FTL One Piece, while PTS Luffy certainly isn’t FTL, I’m certain that top tiers or at least close to it, there just too many light speed feats to say otherwise. Your nitpicks with Foxy’s beams and even claiming that Oda said Kizaru is the fastest when he really didn’t doesn’t disprove that notion. I find it funny that people will easily accept FTL Naruto, Bleach and even One Punch Man but not One Piece even though there is way more proof of FTL in it than those series. OP is the most downplayed of the HST as well which feeds to this denial.

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  19. OP CHARACTERS GET STRONGER EVERY BATTLE, REEEE “Only skimmed parts of this article so I’ll address a few things: ” Translation: You ignored all evidence that contradicts your worldview and didn’t bother to read the post “Saying Sanji is slower than lightning because he couldn’t react to Eneru’s attacks is false because he still scales to Kalifa who did ” Again you clearly didn’t bother to read the arguments, did you? I can tell your faggot ass is butthurt. Yet failed to dodge Lightning against Eeneru, I guess by your dumbass logic Nami’s Lightning >Eneeru’s Lightning despite one confirmed to actually move at Lightning speed and one merely having an attack that moves at Lightning speed but their actual combat speed is barely Supersonic. It’s very obvious Kailfa aim dodged Lightning as she can predict the attack patterns during the fight, also while the Lightning is fast, the cloud formations are FAR SLOWER than Lightning and Nami herself is far slower than Lightning. ( Chapter 411 , Pages 12-13) You are trying to tell me Kaifla is Lightning speed when she can’t even handle Sanji who was massively holding back against her as he doesn’t hit women ( Chapter 403 pages 3-7 ,12-14) Same Snaji who got blitzed repeatedly by Eeneru Also Kafila was hit by Lightning Multiple times which debunks her being Lightning speed even when she can anpaciate the direction of the Lightning strike ,( Chapter 411 Page 13.17 and Chapter 412 pages 2 and 9) This proves that her previous reaction to Nami’s Lightning was an aim dodge at best and an outlier at worst. https://imgur.com/a/7N9zH Given Nami is comparable to Usopp and barely fast enough to react to bullets https://imgur.com/a/wVliB it’s safe to say Kafila who should have reaction speeds comparable to Yama in Skypeda who can casually react to cannonballs and Kurodmai and Base Lucci as a teenager who can react to bullets and cannon fire would be MUCH faster than Nami’s combat speed/reaction speed so her dodging Lightning despite being far slower than lightning makes sense. Trying to claim Kafila is as fast as Lightning is like claiming the Punisher is as fast as bullets because he avoided the trajectory of the bullets. “and this scaling is justified because we know for a fact that the Straw Hats and other characters get stronger arc after arc or gain massive jumps in power suddenly.” Yet they couldn’t do shit to Pacifistas and needed their team effort against a single Pasfiscta who at best is as strong as Zoan Robi Lucci which had them all exhausted. https://imgur.com/a/aCUzqTN https://imgur.com/IgyQjfb https://imgur.com/a/qEfMb2Y Luffy literally one-shotted Pasfisctas with Gear Third whereas Lucci can survive (Abelt barely) the very same punches. Pasasifctas have stronger defenses than Tekkai and the straw hats barely defeat even one of them. https://imgur.com/rnbSGkM If Luffy truly got much stronger than Ensis Lobby, then he can one v one it like he does in the timeskip but because he can’t, we can easily refute this as a debunked argument which debunks the “Massively stronger” argument. Also Nami and Ussop never get stronger throughout Pre Skip, they get better weaponry but they don’t get stronger so that debunks your argument, and Franky’s power never improves or gets stronger between Water 7 and Sabody Apcoheiglo, this is a weak argument on your part. https://imgur.com/a/zo7V02e https://imgur.com/a/sXIxsVT Contrast this with Dragonball Z which has Raditz who is the strongest character Goku and Piccolo ever faced at their point of their lives. Goku and Piccolo couldn’t even touch Raditz. https://imgur.com/a/YUW78Or Who Saibamen are are easily as strong as in the next arc and Kirllin,. Gohan and Piccolo can hold their own and easily beat them,Kirillin killing all 3 of them at once in one attack https://imgur.com/a/bSRT9So The next arc after that, Fireza foot soldiers are easily as powerful as Raditz yet Gohan and Kirllin both clap them with ZERO difficulty, this is what massively stronger every arc looks like. Meanwhile you got ZERO evidence that characters in pre skip one piece get MUCH stronger per arc.If anything Bon Clay aka Mr 2 and Mr 3 completely debunk your narrative as they’re comparable to base Luffy post Ensis Lobby. When you can prove Luffy can one shot Rob Lucci tier characters in one hit two arcs after Water 7, then we can talk. ” For example, in Water 7, the Straw Hats get dominated by CP9 but in Enies Lobby, they match and even beat them. Law got dominated by Doflamingo in Dressrosa but barely a month later can keep up with Big Mom and Kaido.” Comparing Law who has gotten notably stronger to Strawhats, the majority not having Devil Fruits( Sanji, Zoro, Franky, Ussop, and Nami) is fucking comical levels of failure on your part. Do tell me how much stronger Ussop and Nami got? I think you forget that Law didn’t beat Big Mom on his own and was inferior to her and Kid carried that battle “There is even a statement from Zoro confirming the crew gets stronger after every battle. ” Statements=/=Feats fucktard Again, do tell me how much stronger Nami and Ussop get when they battle. oh right they don’t because they don’t have anything close to the combat abilities of other straw hats at least not Pre skip Wasn’t aware OP characters were Saiyans all of the sudden I can literally make this argument for ANY Anime series. Ichigo in the Arrancar Arc got “stronger” because the previous arc happened and the characters like Byakuya became irrelevant fodder. Oh wait he didn’t, Byakuya literally is able to fight Espada tier characters like Ichigo, and guess what One Piece is literally no different. https://imgur.com/a/zXnLR https://imgur.com/a/zXnLR https://imgur.com/a/47Dk0 Mr 2 is a good counter argument to your argument. Mr 2 didn’t get any stronger from Alabasta and is still at best around base Luffy level yet was keeping up with Luffy who unlocked Gear 2nd and was several arcs past Alabasta yet Mr 2, a character who didn’t get even the slightest bit stronger was keeping up with Luffy who supposedly got “MUCH stronger” than when they first fought “IIRC, Oda stated that he dislikes training arcs as well. All in all, this means you can’t use Sanji’s performance in Skypia as proof that he isn’t faster than lightning because he is much stronger in Enies Lobby.” https://imgur.com/a/zXnLR Mr2 says Hi, he didn’t get any stronger,especially shackled with sea stone handcuffs and was purposely put in a prison which prevents Devil frutis from getting stronger, tortured and starved to death yet was keeping up with Luffy Post Ensis Lobby despite being weaker than he was in Alabasta. https://imgur.com/a/zXnLR https://imgur.com/a/zXnLR https://imgur.com/a/47Dk0 Also not an excuse bro, dislike showing training arcs doesn’t explain away Narrative or feats. Mr 2 with no training, no means of getting stronger and being tortured and deprived of any type of recovery was keeping up just fine with Luffy who you claim got “MUCH stronger “ since Alabasta Sanji Alabasta/ Skypiea arc is no stronger than base Sanji in Water 7. Again a weakened and barely recovered Mr 2 was still keeping up just fine with Base Luffy who’s relative in speed to base Sanji so this debunks your argument that “Sanji is much faster in Water 7” This also is irrelevant even if he was faster because he MASSIVELY HELD BACK ON KAFILA . Even if you want to argue Sanji got a Super Sayian tier muptiler in power from Skypiea, Sanji got a massive mental and physical nerf fighting Kafila to the point Kafila can one shot him despite being 5 times weaker than Jaba. To one shot someone, you have to be over 7.5 times stronger than the person. Kafila isn’t even half as strong as Sanji let alone 7.5 times stronger, to go from beating Jabba Mid Difficulty to getting completely stomped by Kafila, he would’ve had to gotten 37.5 times weaker and slower to get stomped this badly so Kafila isn’t even close to Lightning speed if she is MUCH slower than a guy who can’t dodge Lightning. “As for FTL One Piece, while PTS Luffy certainly isn’t FTL, I’m certain that top tiers or at least close to it, there are just too many light speed feats to say otherwise. “ You just admitted Luffy isn’t FTL so you concede to my point all along,good to know. At least you admitted defeat on FTL Pre Skip strawhats, what if i told you even in Timeskip, they’re still not FTL “Your nitpicks with Foxy’s beams and even claiming that Oda said Kizaru is the fastest when he really didn’t doesn’t disprove that notion.” OPtards like you have no new arguments or actual retorts to Oda’s numerous statements of Kizaru>The Entire OPverse in speed. https://imgur.com/a/W9PQUb2 https://imgur.com/a/2gsejE8 https://imgur.com/a/U1nl0BL the blast that foxy was firing at him right now, Luffy was barely dodging them numerous times in the fight and resort to aim dodge to position his body before the beam was gonna hit him. He blitz Foxy before he finished making a complete sentence and got the better of his powers by using the mirror that was stuck in his afro earlier. Also Foxy’s powers even if your can argue are Light aren’t actual Lightspeed for numerous reasons Let’s see if the Foxy abilities stand up to method of test. Foxy ate the Devil Fruit the Noro Noro no Mi which allows him to fire microscopic particles as beams of light that can slow down his enemies or other objects for 30 seconds (he demonstrates this by slowing down a cannon ball fired at him, only to get hit by the cannonball anyway when he was gloating over its power for too long). When he cheats, he frequently uses these powers to increase the impact of his attacks or stop his opponents in their tracks. Luffy manages to beat this power by using a shard from a mirror he found on Foxy’s ship, reflecting the Noroma photons back at him, then delivering a final blow with a 30 second delay. The beam refracts in a new material, such as a liquid or… The beam reflects off a material that it can be expected to, such as a non-magical mirror Check The beam is called lightspeed by reliable sources not confrimed It is stated to be made of photons or light itself, again by a reliable source check It has its origin at a realistic source of light, such as a camera nope Addimtitely Foxy’s attacks almost reach the definitions of Lightspeed attacks, but then again so does Haku by this same standard however they’re also this. Furthermore, there are a few criteria which show a beam is NOT real light: It is shown at different speeds in the same material It is tangible and can be interacted with physically by normal humans They do not travel in straight lines (unless you can prove refraction/reflection, see above) https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/9/9b/Noro_Noro_Beam_Sword.png/revision/latest?cb=20141118060428 The fact Foxy can curve his attacks debunks it being Lightspeed because Pure Light can’t curve so it’s not a qaunftiable Lightspeed feat in the slightest. Furthermore, his Lightspeed is entirely inconsistent given it could barely tag Pre Water 7 Arc Luffy Who has reflexes far slower than Lightning?https://www.youtube.com/embed/26_zKe9SKas?autoplay=0&enablejsapi=1 Who had characters on par with him completely bltizstomped by Lightning. Hell if it wasn’t for the fact Luffy was made of Rubber, Eneru would’ve effortlessly ended the strawhats where they stood. https://imgur.com/a/243edaG Funny how Kizaru casually curbstomped both Luffy and Zoro and effortlessly blitzed not only them https://imgur.com/a/tAclQ https://imgur.com/a/rpW6v https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-85d5a5393c71a94f61a996ee1156a420-lq But all the other SUpernovas who are all Relative to Zoro and Luffy. https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-105755627876c61f5090d7bf558f060a-lq https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7e25af9aea6e7426caf27720cc9382bc-lq Meanwhile the strawhats and the supernovas are dodging Pasfactia lasers. Either light works vastly different in one piece in which you have two sperate tiers of light or one laser is clearly MUCH SLOWER THAN THE OTHER. For fucksake USSOP CAN OUTRUN THEM! https://imgur.com/a/4ATZe https://imgur.com/a/txGjA Same Ussop who struggles to dodge rockets,explosives and gunfire, unless you’re saying rockets and bullets also move at Lightspeed, then you got no argument. https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/b/b7/Kaido%27s_Thunder_Bagua.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20220702080552 Given there’s a blatant speed gap between Post Dressora Luffy and Kaido who casually blitzes Lufffy in Gear 4th And Kaido’s minions are too much for Zoro and Snaji’s previous limits and both NEEDED to achieve a new level of power entirely in their fights to keep up .And one of those minions happen to have actual Lightspeed attacks https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/8/80/Marco_Talks_to_Queen.png/revision/latest?cb=20210412233943 https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/f/f8/MarcoPXquenn_%283%29.png/revision/latest?cb=20210412042131 Which is comparable to Marco’s speed Who can react to Kizarus Lightspeed It’s safe to say that NO ONE PRE DRESSORA is Lightspeed within the strawhats. Hell Big Mom was hit by Lightning attacks from Nami which i doubt increased her attack speed given her abilties are fixated on nature and not DF power so can’t evolve past their limaitons so that’s a clear debunk of anyone in Pre skip being FTL unless they’re relative to Kizaru Granted Big Mom wasn’t taking Nami seriously and we know she’s equal to Kaido Buit it only makes the scaling for Luffy’s speed worse as in Whole Cake Island, he couldn’t blitz Big Mom in Gear 4th and she was holding back against him so this further debunks any Pre skip Lightspeed feat if Big Mom who’s WAY faster than Pre skip strawhats can’t even dodge Lightning in her suppressed form yet was able to block the fastest and strongest strawhat at the time with little efofrt. Given Zoro was getting bltized by Lightning Pre Skip, Lightning is MUCH slower than Light this is pretty consistent with showings from Big Mom and timeskip characters. HELL HE CAN’T EVEN DODGE LIGHTNING POST TIMESKIP IN THE WANO ARC,LOL. NEITHER COULD LUFFFY, DOUBLE LOL. Which sounds more plausible, Kizaru being FTL in a verse that has ZERO concrete Lightspeed feats and based on contradictory claims and statements https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0c7501b82c7af6c8bed9b7488f10cf7d-pjlq Or Kizaru being the only confirmed Lightspeed character and only top tier Observation haki users having any kind of reflexes and reaction speed to keep up. Unless you claiming Oda is wrong about Kizaru being the fastest in the verse and that you know more about Obseratvion Haki than the guy who made it, you have no argument. Literally your god Oda claims no one in the verse is faster than Kizaru and they can only keep up if they mastered Obsevartion Haki, this puts a nail in the coffin of your dead arugment. Also how do you reconcile the fact that it takes a literal timeskip, several arcs and Sanji unlocking his Grema roots and heritage to actually dodge Lasers, Real Lasers BTW that are able to keep up with Marco. And it took Zoro a new sword which enhanced his powers to dodge an attack compared to that of Beam of Light https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-105755627876c61f5090d7bf558f060a-lq https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7e25af9aea6e7426caf27720cc9382bc-lq While claiming that Luffy and Zoro can dodge them pre skip. So according to your faggot logic Pre Skip Zoro and Luffy>>>>>Timeskip Wano Arc Sanji. Also Zoro never dodged Kuma’s laser, look carefully, in the panels you can see him visibly hurt from the explosion so that’s another debunk. Zoro was also effortlessly biltzed by Kizaru, which again debunks the narrative that the lasers are remotely the same as Kizaru’s light beams and Zoro was just as severely weakened as he was back in Thriller Bark post-Oars battle and in fact in both battles suffering the exact same injuries so don’t give me this”weakened” arugment. Another debunk to your argument is Kuma’s “Light speed “ pads. Given Kuma was directly aligned with Rayeleigh and casually blitzed the strawhats MUCH later on and Kuma is a top tier comparable to Marco, Sabo and Ace and none of the strawhats are anywhere close to Adrimial level and was testing/saving the strawhats, it’s safe to say even if he can actually attack at lightspeed, he was massively holding back against Zoro and the strawhats. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:KingTempest16/Kaidou%27s_Thunder_Bagua_Speed So really the only objectively FTL characters within the series by powerscaling and feats would be Whitebeard who’s superior to the 3 Adirmals overall, Kaido, Maybe Big Mom, Shanks and now Gear 5 Luffy, Post Grema Sanji and Zoro might also be there who should scale within the range . Literally no one aside from the strongest pirates reach FTL. And even then Observation Haki makes light dodging an Aim dodge more than debunks their speed being narutally at this range as they are reacting to predictions of attacks, meaning they are barely FTL with normal combat reaction speeds.After all its’ stated you need at least mastered Observraiton Haaki to dodge Light. . https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-fc9a12b76af941c0e2943b22bdf6061a-lq https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-88be6e8779d8a028a6883fff646406f7-lq Same Luffy couldn’t evade Lighnting pre skip which is not even 1/100th the speed of Light and only beat Eneeru because of Eneeru’s arrogance and his own immunity to lightning attacks. Zoro and Sanji who rival Luffy in speed were getting casually stomped by Lightning attacks by Eneeru so they’re nowhere close to Lightspeed. https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7d4af97d03d0bd511c20e37318b25f42 https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-fbeb535a107d59cf527e3a1b8f792c5a https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6f035b99b11c6524b5c87f76357be522 It’s not biased if it’s based on facts retard. Literally no Supernova dodged Kizaru’s attacks, attacks confirmed to be Lightspeed,this debunks them being FTL from the getgo and debunks the Pasfscita lasers being Lightspeed as the Supernovas can dodge those but not Kizaru using actual light form. Also shows they noticed him mid light form, they were all suprised when he appeared so that is another debunk. https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0c7501b82c7af6c8bed9b7488f10cf7d-pjlq Unless you claim Oda is wrong about Kizaru being the fastest in the verse and that you know more about Obseratvion Haki than the guy who made it, you have no argument. https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0c7501b82c7af6c8bed9b7488f10cf7d-pjlq Oh really faggot then what does this say again? This is literally from the word of god itself, are you saying you know better than the guy who literally created One Piece? He’s considered the top tier in speed and “possibly the fastest in the verse” by One Piece Wiki and Oda himself but lemme guess, you’re one the one right here and i’m wrong? In the 2DY One Piece Special canon to the manga, Rayleigh states that no one can move at the speed of Light and only those who mastered Observation Haki can hope to react or dodge lightspeed attacks. This puts a nail in the coffin of any OPtard claiming Pre skip Luffy is even close to Lightspeed. Either i’m lying or you’re the one full of shit. https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e5145b974e5bf0bb937d27027e418cc7-pjlq It’s repeatedly stated that Observation Haki makes one react to things faster than themselves to a cetrain extent. The only characters who can be argued to move FTL even without Observation haki are Kaido( who bltized Gear 4th Luffy) Whitebeard( who scales to him) and anyone of Yokno level,and of course Gear 5th Luffy, all objectively faster and stronger than Kizaru himself. https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0e0eaded26e640109ebd2ad7b2404c4f-pjlq BTW Aimdoging isn’t a speed nor counts as legit speed.This is what people call Aimdoging, Aim Dodging refers to the technique of avoiding linear attacks by re-positioning oneself away from the path of the attack before it is fired. The user can avoid linear attacks MUCH FASTER THAN THEMSELVES by simply quickly positioning themselves away from the path of the attack before it is fired. People might see this to not be true, but I it funny to find Luffy on the COVER of the aim-dodging page of the powerlisting wiki: ( The wiki page image change since the last time i was there thought) “ I find it funny that people will easily accept FTL Naruto, Bleach, and even One Punch Man but not One Piece “ Because all those aforementioned verses have quantifiable FTL feats with no contraindications to scaling or abilities https://imgur.com/STZKFd9 https://imgur.com/STZKFd9 https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/6/66/277C8442-9F48-43F3-AED5-FACB2EA86F9D.jpeg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/180?cb=20190620203839 https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/b/bf/95804E59-7A61-42D6-82B3-0ED1A7C3DB41.jpeg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/180?cb=20190620203900 https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/8/8a/18E9DAFA-44D4-4B8E-9FC0-B7B7E5D00B89.jpeg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/180?cb=20190620205107 https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/b/bf/Mifunesa.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/392?cb=20190620205801 https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/e/e6/FA827703-EBBE-4ACE-A830-4D07D2C51FBE.jpeg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/180?cb=20190621122557 https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/8/8f/E391D104-A1F7-4DC0-8F11-737508ABAC89.jpeg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/180?cb=20190621122621 https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/a/a2/85CDA65E-D83B-4707-9FAD-E6F00E249E81.jpeg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/180?cb=20190621122643 In Naruto, The Fourth Raikage is accepted as Lightspeed because MUCH SLOWER characters to Kages can react to Lightning speeds casually and Raikage has dodged actual Light attacks and can survive teleporting at Lightspeed. Kages are Relastvitc because they scale to Tsuande who can survive teleporting at Lightspeed(Abelt it barely and needed regeneration to survive Heavenly Transfer Jutsu/) and Madara in base can casually react to them(Making him FTL in base)you also have Light Novels that have charkaless Adult Naruto dodged Photon Lasers, you have multiple feats of Lightspeed/FTL Naruto characters throughout the war arc. There are ZERO contradictions with the feats here. https://imgur.com/a/uOzrT https://imgur.com/a/7PlRu https://imgur.com/a/uOzrT In Bleach, Shunsui fights Lille who is living Light and the Kizaru of the Bleachverse is able to dodge his Light beams and Yhwach in base is MUCH stronger than Shunsui. Yhwach also reacts to Minaigihai who can cross Lunar distances between the Soul King Palace and the Soul Society in a second and spam Light attacks from that distance within a second. Ichigo in True Bankai Horn of Salvation and Yhwach using Almighty+Soul King Powers should easily be much stronger than Shunsui and much faster so MFTL Bleach is plausible and not contradicted by anti feats, lesser feasts or scaling unless you use the CFYOW novel which kinda makes Bleach Peak at Lightspeed. Fairy Tail has Too many FTL feats to count, starting with Erza who can Can bltiz Midnight Note Midnight can react and bend light so he has Lightspeed reactions. Backed by the fact his abilities can generate mirages to create illusions and function like mirrors. Magic in FT fucintons the same as Nature so he’s deflecting natural light. Erza has scaling to X791 Dragon Force Sting who should scale to around DF Natsu speed and has explicit Lightspeed attacks Unlike One Piece, there’s not a billion powerscaling contradictions that prevent this from being confirmed and there are no contradictions in feats either,. https://imgur.com/esYYV8F https://imgur.com/7NrYPTH The Light we have seen in different record does not show any form of physical human interaction, and can be reflected by reflective material such as blades and ice. https://imgur.com/YcLo3i4 https://imgur.com/HpUZYph https://imgur.com/7NrYPTH Ranged Light does not explode and goes in a straight line. https://imgur.com/7NrYPTH https://imgur.com/Xguvz5Z Even the (Magic Power) operate surprisingly the same as electromagnetic light, such as with Moon Drip which harvests light/magic energy from the moon to melt ice, it refracts of the ice like real light does, requires zero obstruction of the light beam like real light does, and it harms the human body like UV light does. https://imgur.com/8YTW2DO Even magical Blades have a reflective properties too as light can reflect off it without any effort. https://imgur.com/WlJTpms As for the case of other light dodging feats, in Edolas (while not directly said) has devices that would work like flashlight, it flashes like light, does not have pressure and moves in a straight path, even the device the same structure as a flashlight. https://imgur.com/Cwwyfdx https://imgur.com/HXLrmjd this one is iffy but Erza’s Morning Star Armor has an attack which is called Photon Slicer, which would mean that their world has knowledge of photons, and her armor which emits light would have photons as light magic. http://www.laurawaller.com/opticsfun/sugarGRINlens.htm There have been experiments as to how light lasers are able to bend or curve which are call refractive index or gradient index, which the former is having a constant refractive index and varying shape, and the latter is having a constant shape and a varying refractive index. and example is a Water Tank with water and sugar diluted in it, the laser would curve towards higher density. https://imgur.com/3HMlNPF https://imgur.com/eoBfrP0 https://imgur.com/s1SY50x https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_refraction And in the manga, it is stated that the atmosphere possesses ethernanos, and ethernanos have properties of all sorts of elements. the Light refracts through the atmosphere which is occupied/filled with particles that all types of elements, both classical and periodic , which would give it a gradient refractive curve. and in reals life, the atmosphere causes refraction the denser the layers get. Even as Ethernanoes they still behave as their elements or act like them Even in that state, and compared to regular Lightning. His Roar is described as a laser, and it does not explode, as it just pierces through, as Light has energy and “Momentum”, and in some experiments have shown that light can move solid objects. https://imgur.com/3aDYoTm https://imgur.com/3aDYoTm It is not interacted physically like other energy beams have been done before. as it appeared to non-physically curved rather than physically blocked. https://imgur.com/R45YVWl As we have seen before, Sting like other Dragon Slayers can physically grasp elements that are normally unable to be grasped by real world human hands, even chewing on them, which is particular to their magics as no one else have shown to do. https://imgur.com/OWWf4iZ https://imgur.com/wLrmxJg It is a part of a power that utilizes light from multiple sources. https://imgur.com/K3I8Eys https://imgur.com/ckJkBOd It has heat based qualities as there is smoke from the affected areas and it is stated to have a burning affect. Does not explode either. Light (光ひかり) is translated as literally “Physically Perceived Light” A major feat from her fight in the Avatar Arc was effortlessly one-shotting Jetmore with her new armro faster than he can react. To back this point up, here’s her and Kinghtwalker using their fastest attacks . Erza is able to react to attacks that even Juvia can’t react. And all of this was “In the fucking Past”. You can wank Zoro to high heaven on speed( He couldn’t dodge Eneru’s Lightning twice Pre skip and has yet to display Lightspeed feats even in Wano Country) and claim he was FTL since the beginning of the series, by your logic, Lucy from Fairy Tail was FTl from the start and Erza>Lucy, Even if we wank the debunked and overatted Thriller Bark laser feat( Zoro actually got burned by the laser but nevermind that shit) and say his base is 10 times faster timeskip and he can get over 100 times stronger than that, it still wouldn’t hold a candle to Erza’s actual speed feats. Erza blitzed Midnight who’s abilities can bend and reflect light giving him up to Lightspeed reaction speed and BTW, that’s not even her fastest armor nor her strongest, it’s a mid tier armor with that level of speed. Her fastest armor should be faster than her Photon Slicer Attack which is a literal beam of light that attacks with a photon laser which also can function as a bright light so it’s inaurgably Lightspeed. While in this feat that occurs in the edolas arc Erza Knightwalker manages to react and cut through erza photon slicer attack at point blank. Her Flight Armor is fast enough to trade blows with Kingthwalker who can react and counter Erza’s Photon Slicer. Note even if we accept the laughably wanked Pasfsctia lasers( which are actually WAY slower than Kizaru who’s only LS BTW) Erza not even trying has Relastvic combat speed and was no diffing Sub Rel Natsu She’s fast enough to keep pace with Laxus who can shoot Lightning faster than Natural Lightning with ease, making his lightning bare minimum as fast as the return stroke of Lightning which is 1/3rd the speed of Lightning and Laxus only gets MUCH faster as well as her. Her frist timeskip speed should be superior to Natsu’s who in base was dodging actual Lightspeed attacks from Sting which are confirmed by numerous calcs and sources to be real light and BTW unlike Kizaru, Sting isn’t the top tier of speed in FT so no amount of downplay on your part is going to change that fact, hell you can use Haku as a downplay argument and it wouldn’t change the fact Erza is quantifiably FTL. The latter having accepted Sub Relastvic reaction speeds PRE SKIP. Erza was dodging that shit easily Pre Skip and she casually bltizes Natsu and Gajeel who can react at said speeds. Sting has confirmed Lightspeed attacks that Natsu dodged and Erza>Natsu in power https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-396b1268b2da9d5a07d1067f67b225fa-lq You also have Pre Series Gildarts dodging actual Light attacks which prelude Erza and Erza should easily scale to a younger Gildarts. So yeah even if you severely lowball Erza’s speed, she would be at least Relastvic and again this was with severe Low Balling. She also scales in X791 to Pre Skip/Pre Seires Gildarts who has a casual FTL feat back in the Ice trial manga which is canon to the main series and given her base was effortlessly finessing Lightning attacks, it’s safe say her base speed in X791>Her max speed in X784. Her Timeskip speed should easily be 10 times faster in X792 and that’s vast lowballing. Her speed should be faster than Marin Hollow’s teleportation hax that are FTL via Quantum Manipulation and her power should be at least Sppargian level which includes Wal Itchi who has many casual Lightspeed attacks Except he does, he doesn’t just have concrete FTL feats but also FTL powerscaling. https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/fb861955-059a-4ed0-8927-ef131181116f/df2uwtr-f31c9295-c918-4c46-b4af-9687cd4accff.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2ZiODYxOTU1LTA1OWEtNGVkMC04OTI3LWVmMTMxMTgxMTE2ZlwvZGYydXd0ci1mMzFjOTI5NS1jOTE4LTRjNDYtYjRhZi05Njg3Y2Q0YWNjZmYucG5nIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.a71sFqeMwcKhZZEryztig5u0R6y7DhZpxXWg0Fio2Sc 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by a casual base Erza to being able to overpower and defeat an Erza tier opponent at their full power and Natsu in base was able to beat both dragon slayers while both were at their peak power, just this alone makes Natsu,Sting and Rouge Massively FTL by powerscaling and would still make the Tatatarus arc feat consistent. https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/fb861955-059a-4ed0-8927-ef131181116f/df2uwnj-0aafadaf-ae00-4b49-900b-c7986425eab1.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2ZiODYxOTU1LTA1OWEtNGVkMC04OTI3LWVmMTMxMTgxMTE2ZlwvZGYydXduai0wYWFmYWRhZi1hZTAwLTRiNDktOTAwYi1jNzk4NjQyNWVhYjEucG5nIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.gXNhpAHO4G99y_1yqkz9yL8b9m8NLpJnRY5ZKqFCXDM This is backed by the lasers being delfected like actual light. https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/fb861955-059a-4ed0-8927-ef131181116f/df2v0gt-d12919e9-ae1c-46a6-94de-4463a4385c6d.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2ZiODYxOTU1LTA1OWEtNGVkMC04OTI3LWVmMTMxMTgxMTE2ZlwvZGYydjBndC1kMTI5MTllOS1hZTFjLTQ2YTYtOTRkZS00NDYzYTQzODVjNmQucG5nIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.lU-z9Jcm8ZKSgYqhGsj3pLAug2l4EYaSnC-asFXGjcA Hell even if you severely lowball the speed by having Haku in the recent chapter be confrimed the only Lightspeed character prior to that point, Erza is FAR stronger and faster than Wendy’s dragon force which bltizstomped that same Haku so even severely lowballing, Erza is at least Massively FTL by powerscaling alone and Natsu being relative is this fast as well. https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/fb861955-059a-4ed0-8927-ef131181116f/df2uvxl-a516b55a-a52b-474d-b2f1-aeeb2a356500.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2ZiODYxOTU1LTA1OWEtNGVkMC04OTI3LWVmMTMxMTgxMTE2ZlwvZGYydXZ4bC1hNTE2YjU1YS1hNTJiLTQ3NGQtYjJmMS1hZWViMmEzNTY1MDAucG5nIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.ubl0dgiN02fw-liq5sMDNNQJIJ0ULpdWFU6y2BOj8KE Haku should be no slower than Lacarade who can spam Light attacks and Alaverz Arc Kagura can cut them so fast, she’s leaving afterimages of herself reacting to the light attacks and Current Erza>Alaverz Arc Erza=>Laracade>Kagura and given Four Dragon Slayer Kinghts are Gildarts level, they scale to the Top Sparrigan 12 members who are much stronger than normal sparrigans. 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Eitherway you slice it, Fairy Tail has plenty of actual Lightspeed to FTL feats and even low balling the fuck out the series, the top and god tiers of FT are still Masssively FTL. https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/fb861955-059a-4ed0-8927-ef131181116f/df2v0gt-d12919e9-ae1c-46a6-94de-4463a4385c6d.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiL CJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2ZiODYxOTU1LTA1OWEtNGVkMC04OTI3LWVmMTMxMTgxMTE2ZlwvZGYydjBndC1kMTI5MTllOS1hZTFjLTQ2YTYtOTRkZS00NDYzYTQzODVjNmQucG5nIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.lU-z9Jcm8ZKSgYqhGsj3pLAug2l4EYaSnC-asFXGjcA https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/fb861955-059a-4ed0-8927-ef131181116f/df2uspr-86ca47b3-b667-436f-b60f-52bc8f7f1c5b.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2ZiODYxOTU1LTA1OWEtNGVkMC04OTI3LWVmMTMxMTgxMTE2ZlwvZGYydXNwci04NmNhNDdiMy1iNjY3LTQzNmYtYjYwZi01MmJjOGY3ZjFjNWIucG5nIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.QOmn0JG5x8o1fkDxaJxZTJj4GvMnkMWJtsbfPQUTQrc https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/fb861955-059a-4ed0-8927-ef131181116f/df2usqs-f5d9998c-4020-4436-bd76-c04777773116.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2ZiODYxOTU1LTA1OWEtNGVkMC04OTI3LWVmMTMxMTgxMTE2ZlwvZGYydXNxcy1mNWQ5OTk4Yy00MDIwLTQ0MzYtYmQ3Ni1jMDQ3Nzc3NzMxMTYucG5nIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.xpeZN1qbrv1iq3VdkjmaykMU2GC2BFUZTm6lky3hf0o Hell even Lucy who’s far weaker than GMG Natsu, a complete rookie and absoulte fodder without her keys Pre skip can dodge Lasers Lasers confirmed to be real laser beams as they use Baryon particles which is a wavelength of Light. This makes this concerte light speed. Unlike most “lasers” in anime https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/fb861955-059a-4ed0-8927-ef131181116f/df2uzx6-3d1ccaea-c5ac-45b1-9772-21c49cbfb0c7.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2ZiODYxOTU1LTA1OWEtNGVkMC04OTI3LWVmMTMxMTgxMTE2ZlwvZGYydXp4Ni0zZDFjY2FlYS1jNWFjLTQ1YjEtOTc3Mi0yMWM0OWNiZmIwYzcucG5nIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.tBxq3s1aKMt3lPZB8cX870MUbxuk_OymRaureQ7tb2M Especially the Passifcsta Lasers [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDeQP5Y7Tus?version=3&rel=1&showsearch=0&showinfo=1&iv_load_policy=1&fs=1&hl=en&autohide=2&wmode=transparent&w=750&h=422] [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX74CtBcGmc?version=3&rel=1&showsearch=0&showinfo=1&iv_load_policy=1&fs=1&hl=en&autohide=2&wmode=transparent&w=750&h=422] One Piece where the Passficta lasers depsite being Kizaru’s element are nowhere near as fast as Kizaru and Kizaru is basically a god tier in speed which by default debunks any FTL One Piece claims unless proven otherwise. Unlike One Piece,THERE IS ZERO CONTRADICTIONS IN THESE FEATS. [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj8vHFITyTE?version=3&rel=1&showsearch=0&showinfo=1&iv_load_policy=1&fs=1&hl=en&autohide=2&wmode=transparent&w=750&h=422] A heavily suppressed Gajeel if anything backs this as he lowered his power level so some fodder ass mages can beat him up and depsite taking a beating was still able to react to a casual Lightning blast from Laxus who uses real lightning in his attacks, VSBW did an excellent calc on this putting the speed at 2% the speed of Light and Sub Realstvic and this was with a Heavily supresssed, faiguted Gajeel who purposely weakened himself to atone for his sins in previous arcs against Fairy Tail. It’s safe to assume Base Gajeel is way faster than Lucy without celestial sprit keys. https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/fb861955-059a-4ed0-8927-ef131181116f/df2uvn4-d08ad2a5-8149-46f3-acd2-9874a5cb9fc0.png/v1/fill/w_900,h_496,q_80,strp/image_by_ironzombie34_df2uvn4-fullview.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7ImhlaWdodCI6Ijw9NDk2IiwicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvZmI4NjE5NTUtMDU5YS00ZWQwLTg5MjctZWYxMzExODExMTZmXC9kZjJ1dm40LWQwOGFkMmE1LTgxNDktNDZmMy1hY2QyLTk4NzRhNWNiOWZjMC5wbmciLCJ3aWR0aCI6Ijw9OTAwIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmltYWdlLm9wZXJhdGlvbnMiXX0.SfUm5RM3CiPLPTu4GVGFf0-HxhN-zjS_mTbMhHSpxlA This is further backed by several arcs previously, he can react to Loki’s attacks which should be relative to Biscklow’s lasers which is actual Light https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/fb861955-059a-4ed0-8927-ef131181116f/df2ux0c-300f1f4c-ef76-4e45-9e2d-d130c8020fdd.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2ZiODYxOTU1LTA1OWEtNGVkMC04OTI3LWVmMTMxMTgxMTE2ZlwvZGYydXgwYy0zMDBmMWY0Yy1lZjc2LTRlNDUtOWUyZC1kMTMwYzgwMjBmZGQucG5nIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.M3G4wjDq18qwHc2_026xzPqdRg4KWkBbhMZ1JrU_W08 There’s no debating this feat is concrete lightspeed, not only does it match the name of the attacks, the lasers move in a straight line, they can be delfected as opposed to being held back tangibily https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/fb861955-059a-4ed0-8927-ef131181116f/df2ux0c-300f1f4c-ef76-4e45-9e2d-d130c8020fdd.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2ZiODYxOTU1LTA1OWEtNGVkMC04OTI3LWVmMTMxMTgxMTE2ZlwvZGYydXgwYy0zMDBmMWY0Yy1lZjc2LTRlNDUtOWUyZC1kMTMwYzgwMjBmZGQucG5nIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.M3G4wjDq18qwHc2_026xzPqdRg4KWkBbhMZ1JrU_W08 and Magic in Fairy Tail is no different from natural elements in real life . https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/fb861955-059a-4ed0-8927-ef131181116f/df2v0ct-fc3e8afd-dea1-4b97-a9ca-23f546fa0c79.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2ZiODYxOTU1LTA1OWEtNGVkMC04OTI3LWVmMTMxMTgxMTE2ZlwvZGYydjBjdC1mYzNlOGFmZC1kZWExLTRiOTctYTljYS0yM2Y1NDZmYTBjNzkucG5nIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.7UfYSpqb0Ze2vhbqdi0yK1fk-rWyUmdTQ1X-cDOOIio Consistent with characters like Hades reacting to Light attacks from Marakov https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/fb861955-059a-4ed0-8927-ef131181116f/df2uw14-8409e8d3-013f-48ee-a850-ce488d1bf193.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2ZiODYxOTU1LTA1OWEtNGVkMC04OTI3LWVmMTMxMTgxMTE2ZlwvZGYydXcxNC04NDA5ZThkMy0wMTNmLTQ4ZWUtYTg1MC1jZTQ4OGQxYmYxOTMucG5nIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.xvhMNo7trf3Ic6G1PLGoCExKT6nqjnJKwYnGngl06dg And Gildarts at a notably younger and much weaker state reacting to Lasers casually. https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/fb861955-059a-4ed0-8927-ef131181116f/df2uwbw-f6acd7a5-0cd5-443e-8a7c-e8776c4bd42a.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2ZiODYxOTU1LTA1OWEtNGVkMC04OTI3LWVmMTMxMTgxMTE2ZlwvZGYydXdidy1mNmFjZDdhNS0wY2Q1LTQ0M2UtOGE3Yy1lODc3NmM0YmQ0MmEucG5nIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.HVT-KqFif7vQCB8aLFm81swaOPgOrNB1X6K5tVAbdEg And Erza having an actual Photon laser beam attack with her Light armor confirmed to work like actual light much later on. https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/fb861955-059a-4ed0-8927-ef131181116f/df2ux8n-285166d6-fde9-4687-b4ba-f85354dbc1b2.png/v1/fill/w_910,h_704,q_80,strp/image_by_ironzombie34_df2ux8n-fullview.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7ImhlaWdodCI6Ijw9NzA0IiwicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvZmI4NjE5NTUtMDU5YS00ZWQwLTg5MjctZWYxMzExODExMTZmXC9kZjJ1eDhuLTI4NTE2NmQ2LWZkZTktNDY4Ny1iNGJhLWY4NTM1NGRiYzFiMi5wbmciLCJ3aWR0aCI6Ijw9OTEwIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmltYWdlLm9wZXJhdGlvbnMiXX0.0EzRy9mzSg2MXwazKgcvPeRMC_KKinyuK7wrtro3vHs Even VS Battle Wiki has Fariy Tail God tiers at least Massively FTl via powerscalingAnd they’re know for downplaying verses they don’t like. https://imgur.com/a/PrYOjfI https://imgur.com/a/AIRDOG5 https://imgur.com/a/c5VRZ7L https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/8/8a/Saitama%C3%A7o1as.png/revision/latest?cb=20220511201256 https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/c/c7/Atomicsamschsasd.png/revision/latest?cb=20220306162912 https://imgur.com/a/YTLuR https://streamable.com/ae2oh https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/4/4d/Atomicsamsch.png/revision/latest?cb=20220306162932 https://imgur.com/fFFRISi https://imgur.com/T9NDLxM https://streamable.com/ae2oh https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/f/f1/Pluctones.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/310?cb=20200311002629 https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/7/70/Plutokes.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/310?cb=20200311002912 https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/4/45/Saitomes_2.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20200310235909 https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/3/3b/PSYKOS_OCEAN_REDO.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20200708171301 https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6e253b432ecfe9ac32a6cfde6d486cdd-lq https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-05639e13989c669284f877de90f90a10-lq https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-44db437cc4eea5c0f52168df686a1d20-lq https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6ae5aea3853bf71d696ce04e286d00fc-pjlq One Punch Man literally has Saitama casually crossing the Moon to earth in seconds, numboerus feats proving FTL One Punch Man, and Saitama currently has Massively FTL concrete speed and powerscaling such as dodging very fast rocks from ftl characters while under gravity, characters cutting beams that can split continents in half instantly,Saitama seeing the back of his head relefeciton with raw speed, Saitama moving so fast he was creating omidrecitonal afterimages each fast enough to cross entire planets in nanoseconds and casually outscales lightspeed characters, FTL feats are common amongst S Class heros https://imgur.com/4y9glvQ?r One Piece on the other hand has only Kizaru who has confirmed Lightspeed abilties and Lightspeed speed and reactions and has numerous times stated dodging Light is not possible without Observation Haki which every top tier in One Piece knows.Every peace of lore, narrative, powerscaling and feats point to Kizaru being the fastest known character in One Piece. Any feat below Kizaru is objectivtely slower than Light and only characters like the Yonkos, Admirals and “even though there is way more proof of FTL in it than those series. OP is the most downplayed of the HST as well which feeds into this denial.” Most downplayed? Bro it’s the most wanked of the HST when it comes to speed feats, Bleach being the most wanked overall verse in VS Battle communties. You OPtards use nothing but contradictions and Outliers to argue your narrative when narrative, lore, feats and scaling objectively make One Piece peak at Lightspeed. https://imgur.com/a/KOImP https://imgur.com/a/djyJw Anyone can wank any “Laser dodging” feat to their characters being FTL. Need I explain how Bleachtards wank the Neagicon feat which puts Vice Captains at FTL speeds? By their logic and by your logic, TB Ichigo and Almighty Soul King Yhwach would be easily Quintillions of times Lightspeed and WAY faster than even wanked OP MFTL+ speed which at best peaks at Quadrillions of times Lightspeed which is FAR slower than wanked Bleach. So massively wanked Bleach speed>Massively wanked One Piece speed. https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-cb705414460dc167173694c837f4c9a3-lq https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d85b6bf5f418f61e7033ec581cab48d8-lq Of course anyone with a brain knows no Bleach character is Lightspeed or faster until Shunsui uses Bankai as Gin can blitz most Captains who are far faster than Vice Captains with his Mach 500 Bankai which completely contradicts the scaling of Bleach wank claiming Vice Captains are FTL. [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt-4hB0KNLA?version=3&rel=1&showsearch=0&showinfo=1&iv_load_policy=1&fs=1&hl=en&autohide=2&wmode=transparent&w=750&h=422] https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/d/d9/0617-007.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/400?cb=20190620235218 Naruto also has plenty of “Lightspeed “ feats from complete and utter fodder. Fodder Shinobi can use Storm Laser Circus which is stated to be the speed of Light. Fodder shinobi are hundreds of times slower and weaker than Jounin level Shinobi as the Sound Four needed a combined 100 times muptiler in power just to beat Low tier Jounin/Special Jounin . Haku who’s above Kakashi and Zazuba who are far stronger than average Jounins can move at “Lightspeed” and Naruto would be easily Immeasurable by your logic and Narutard logic if we go by this scaling ,especially since Minato can move in time space which makes him immeasurable speed wise and characters WAY stronger than that outspeed Minato, do i even need to explain how this is all massive wank? Unless you think Haku is comparable to the Raikage and people FAR below the Raikage can survive Mabui’s Heavenly Transfer Jutsu, MFTL Fodder is just comical levels of wank. Stay mad One Piece peaks at Lightspeed, until you can prove anyone is faster than LikeLike
  20. “Only skimmed parts of this article so I’ll address a few things: ” Translation: You ignored all evidence that contradicts your worldview and didn’t bother to read the post “Saying Sanji is slower than lightning because he couldn’t react to Eneru’s attacks is false because he still scales to Kalifa who did ” Again you clearly didn’t bother to read the arguments, did you? I can tell your faggot ass is butthurt. Yet failed to dodge Lightning against Eeneru, I guess by your dumbass logic Nami’s Lightning >Eneeru’s Lightning despite one confirmed to actually move at Lightning speed and one merely having an attack that moves at Lightning speed but their actual combat speed is barely Supersonic. It’s very obvious Kailfa aim dodged Lightning as she can predict the attack patterns during the fight, also while the Lightning is fast, the cloud formations are FAR SLOWER than Lightning and Nami herself is far slower than Lightning. ( Chapter 411 , Pages 12-13) You are trying to tell me Kaifla is Lightning speed when she can’t even handle Sanji who was massively holding back against her as he doesn’t hit women ( Chapter 403 pages 3-7 ,12-14) Same Snaji who got blitzed repeatedly by Eeneru Also Kafila was hit by Lightning Multiple times which debunks her being Lightning speed even when she can anpaciate the direction of the Lightning strike ,( Chapter 411 Page 13.17 and Chapter 412 pages 2 and 9) This proves that her previous reaction to Nami’s Lightning was an aim dodge at best and an outlier at worst. https://imgur.com/a/7N9zH Given Nami is comparable to Usopp and barely fast enough to react to bullets https://imgur.com/a/wVliB it’s safe to say Kafila who should have reaction speeds comparable to Yama in Skypeda who can casually react to cannonballs and Kurodmai and Base Lucci as a teenager who can react to bullets and cannon fire would be MUCH faster than Nami’s combat speed/reaction speed so her dodging Lightning despite being far slower than lightning makes sense. Trying to claim Kafila is as fast as Lightning is like claiming the Punisher is as fast as bullets because he avoided the trajectory of the bullets. “and this scaling is justified because we know for a fact that the Straw Hats and other characters get stronger arc after arc or gain massive jumps in power suddenly.” Yet they couldn’t do shit to Pacifistas and needed their team effort against a single Pasfiscta who at best is as strong as Zoan Robi Lucci which had them all exhausted. https://imgur.com/a/aCUzqTN https://imgur.com/IgyQjfb https://imgur.com/a/qEfMb2Y Luffy literally one-shotted Pasfisctas with Gear Third whereas Lucci can survive (Abelt barely) the very same punches. Pasfisctas have stronger defenses than Tekkai and the strawhats barely defeat even one of them. https://imgur.com/rnbSGkM If Luffy truly got much stronger than Ensis Lobby, then he can one v one it like he does in the timeskip but because he can’t, we can easily refute this as a debunked argument which debunks the “Massively stronger” argument. Also Nami and Ussop never get stronger throughout Pre Skip, they get better weaponry but they don’t get stronger so that debunks your argument, and Franky’s power never improves or gets stronger between Water 7 and Sabody Apcoheiglo, this is a weak argument on your part. https://imgur.com/a/zo7V02e https://imgur.com/a/sXIxsVT Contrast this with Dragonball Z which has Raditz who is the strongest character Goku and Piccolo ever faced at their point of their lives. Goku and Piccolo couldn’t even touch Raditz. https://imgur.com/a/YUW78Or Who Saibamen are are easily as strong as in the next arc and Kirllin,. Gohan and Piccolo can hold their own and easily beat them,Kirillin killing all 3 of them at once in one attack. https://imgur.com/a/bSRT9So The next arc after that, Fireza foot soldiers are easily as powerful as Raditz yet Gohan and Kirllin both clap them with ZERO difficulty, this is what massively stronger every arc looks like. Meanwhile you got ZERO evidence that characters in pre skip one piece get MUCH stronger per arc.If anything Bon Clay aka Mr 2 and Mr 3 completely debunk your narrative as they’re comparable to base Luffy post Ensis Lobby. When you can prove Luffy can one shot Rob Lucci tier characters in one hit two arcs after Water 7, then we can talk. ” For example, in Water 7, the Straw Hats get dominated by CP9 but in Enies Lobby, they match and even beat them. Law got dominated by Doflamingo in Dressrosa but barely a month later can keep up with Big Mom and Kaido.” Comparing Law who has gotten notably stronger to Strawhats, the majority not having Devil Fruits( Sanji, Zoro, Franky, Ussop, and Nami) is fucking comical levels of failure on your part. Do tell me how much stronger Ussop and Nami got? I think you forget that Law didn’t beat Big Mom on his own and was inferior to her and Kid carried that battle “There is even a statement from Zoro confirming the crew gets stronger after every battle. ” Statements=/=Feats fucktard Again, do tell me how much stronger Nami and Ussop get when they battle. oh right they don’t because they don’t have anything close to the combat abilities of other straw hats at least not Pre skip Wasn’t aware OP characters were Saiyans all of the sudden I can literally make this argument for ANY Anime series. Ichigo in the Arrancar Arc got “stronger” because the previous arc happened and the characters like Byakuya became irrelevant fodder. Oh wait he didn’t, Byakuya literally is able to fight Espada tier characters like Ichigo, and guess what One Piece is literally no different. https://imgur.com/a/zXnLR https://imgur.com/a/zXnLR https://imgur.com/a/47Dk0 Mr 2 is a good counter argument to your argument. Mr 2 didn’t get any stronger from Alabasta and is still at best around base Luffy level yet was keeping up with Luffy who unlocked Gear 2nd and was several arcs past Alabasta yet Mr 2, a character who didn’t get even the slightest bit stronger was keeping up with Luffy who supposedly got “MUCH stronger” than when they first fought “IIRC, Oda stated that he dislikes training arcs as well. All in all, this means you can’t use Sanji’s performance in Skypia as proof that he isn’t faster than lightning because he is much stronger in Enies Lobby.” https://imgur.com/a/zXnLR Mr2 says Hi, he didn’t get any stronger,especially shackled with sea stone handcuffs and was purposely put in a prison which prevents Devil frutis from getting stronger, tortured and starved to death yet was keeping up with Luffy Post Ensis Lobby despite being weaker than he was in Alabasta. https://imgur.com/a/zXnLR https://imgur.com/a/zXnLR https://imgur.com/a/47Dk0 Also not an excuse bro, dislike showing training arcs doesn’t explain away Narrative or feats. Mr 2 with no training, no means of getting stronger and being tortured and deprived of any type of recovery was keeping up just fine with Luffy who you claim got “MUCH stronger “ since Alabasta Sanji Alabasta/ Skypiea arc is no stronger than base Sanji in Water 7. Again a weakened and barely recovered Mr 2 was still keeping up just fine with Base Luffy who’s relative in speed to base Sanji so this debunks your argument that “Sanji is much faster in Water 7” This also is irrelevant even if he was faster because he MASSIVELY HELD BACK ON KAFILA . Even if you want to argue Sanji got a Super Sayian tier muptiler in power from Skypiea, Sanji got a massive mental and physical nerf fighting Kafila to the point Kafila can one shot him despite being 5 times weaker than Jaba. To one shot someone, you have to be over 7.5 times stronger than the person. Kafila isn’t even half as strong as Sanji let alone 7.5 times stronger, to go from beating Jabba Mid Difficulty to getting completely stomped by Kafila, he would’ve had to gotten 37.5 times weaker and slower to get stomped this badly so Kafila isn’t even close to Lightning speed if she is MUCH slower than a guy who can’t dodge Lightning. “As for FTL One Piece, while PTS Luffy certainly isn’t FTL, I’m certain that top tiers or at least close to it, there are just too many light speed feats to say otherwise. “ You just admitted Luffy isn’t FTL so you concede to my point all along,good to know. At least you admitted defeat on FTL Pre Skip strawhats, what if i told you even in Timeskip, they’re still not FTL “Your nitpicks with Foxy’s beams and even claiming that Oda said Kizaru is the fastest when he really didn’t doesn’t disprove that notion.” OPtards like you have no new arguments or actual retorts to Oda’s numerous statements of Kizaru>The Entire OPverse in speed. https://imgur.com/a/W9PQUb2 https://imgur.com/a/2gsejE8 https://imgur.com/a/U1nl0BL the blast that foxy was firing at him right now, Luffy was barely dodging them numerous times in the fight and resort to aim dodge to position his body before the beam was gonna hit him. He blitz Foxy before he finished making a complete sentence and got the better of his powers by using the mirror that was stuck in his afro earlier. Also Foxy’s powers even if your can argue are Light aren’t actual Lightspeed for numerous reasons Let’s see if the Foxy abilities stand up to method of test. Foxy ate the Devil Fruit the Noro Noro no Mi which allows him to fire microscopic particles as beams of light that can slow down his enemies or other objects for 30 seconds (he demonstrates this by slowing down a cannon ball fired at him, only to get hit by the cannonball anyway when he was gloating over its power for too long). When he cheats, he frequently uses these powers to increase the impact of his attacks or stop his opponents in their tracks. Luffy manages to beat this power by using a shard from a mirror he found on Foxy’s ship, reflecting the Noroma photons back at him, then delivering a final blow with a 30 second delay. The beam refracts in a new material, such as a liquid or… The beam reflects off a material that it can be expected to, such as a non-magical mirror Check The beam is called lightspeed by reliable sources not confrimed It is stated to be made of photons or light itself, again by a reliable source check It has its origin at a realistic source of light, such as a camera nope Addimtitely Foxy’s attacks almost reach the definitions of Lightspeed attacks, but then again so does Haku by this same standard however they’re also this. Furthermore, there are a few criteria which show a beam is NOT real light: It is shown at different speeds in the same material It is tangible and can be interacted with physically by normal humans They do not travel in straight lines (unless you can prove refraction/reflection, see above) https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/9/9b/Noro_Noro_Beam_Sword.png/revision/latest?cb=20141118060428 The fact Foxy can curve his attacks debunks it being Lightspeed because Pure Light can’t curve so it’s not a qaunftiable Lightspeed feat in the slightest. Furthermore, his Lightspeed is entirely inconsistent given it could barely tag Pre Water 7 Arc Luffy Who has reflexes far slower than Lightning? [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26_zKe9SKas?autoplay=0&enablejsapi=1&version=3&rel=1&showsearch=0&showinfo=1&iv_load_policy=1&fs=1&hl=en&autohide=2&wmode=transparent&w=750&h=422] Who had characters on par with him completely bltizstomped by Lightning. Hell if it wasn’t for the fact Luffy was made of Rubber, Eneru would’ve effortlessly ended the strawhats where they stood. https://imgur.com/a/243edaG Funny how Kizaru casually curbstomped both Luffy and Zoro and effortlessly blitzed not only them https://imgur.com/a/tAclQ https://imgur.com/a/rpW6v https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-85d5a5393c71a94f61a996ee1156a420-lq But all the other SUpernovas who are all Relative to Zoro and Luffy. https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-105755627876c61f5090d7bf558f060a-lq https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7e25af9aea6e7426caf27720cc9382bc-lq Meanwhile the strawhats and the supernovas are dodging Pasfactia lasers. Either light works vastly different in one piece in which you have two sperate tiers of light or one laser is clearly MUCH SLOWER THAN THE OTHER. For fucksake USSOP CAN OUTRUN THEM! https://imgur.com/a/4ATZe https://imgur.com/a/txGjA Same Ussop who struggles to dodge rockets,explosives and gunfire, unless you’re saying rockets and bullets also move at Lightspeed, then you got no argument. https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/b/b7/Kaido%27s_Thunder_Bagua.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20220702080552 Given there’s a blatant speed gap between Post Dressora Luffy and Kaido who casually blitzes Lufffy in Gear 4th And Kaido’s minions are too much for Zoro and Snaji’s previous limits and both NEEDED to achieve a new level of power entirely in their fights to keep up .And one of those minions happen to have actual Lightspeed attacks https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/8/80/Marco_Talks_to_Queen.png/revision/latest?cb=20210412233943 https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/f/f8/MarcoPXquenn_%283%29.png/revision/latest?cb=20210412042131 Which is comparable to Marco’s speed Who can react to Kizarus Lightspeed It’s safe to say that NO ONE PRE DRESSORA is Lightspeed within the strawhats. Hell Big Mom was hit by Lightning attacks from Nami which i doubt increased her attack speed given her abilties are fixated on nature and not DF power so can’t evolve past their limaitons so that’s a clear debunk of anyone in Pre skip being FTL unless they’re relative to Kizaru Granted Big Mom wasn’t taking Nami seriously and we know she’s equal to Kaido Buit it only makes the scaling for Luffy’s speed worse as in Whole Cake Island, he couldn’t blitz Big Mom in Gear 4th and she was holding back against him so this further debunks any Pre skip Lightspeed feat if Big Mom who’s WAY faster than Pre skip strawhats can’t even dodge Lightning in her suppressed form yet was able to block the fastest and strongest strawhat at the time with little efofrt. Given Zoro was getting bltized by Lightning Pre Skip, Lightning is MUCH slower than Light this is pretty consistent with showings from Big Mom and timeskip characters. HELL HE CAN’T EVEN DODGE LIGHTNING POST TIMESKIP IN THE WANO ARC,LOL. NEITHER COULD LUFFFY, DOUBLE LOL. Which sounds more plausible, Kizaru being FTL in a verse that has ZERO concrete Lightspeed feats and based on contradictory claims and statements https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0c7501b82c7af6c8bed9b7488f10cf7d-pjlq Or Kizaru being the only confirmed Lightspeed character and only top tier Observation haki users having any kind of reflexes and reaction speed to keep up. Unless you claiming Oda is wrong about Kizaru being the fastest in the verse and that you know more about Obseratvion Haki than the guy who made it, you have no argument. Literally your god Oda claims no one in the verse is faster than Kizaru and they can only keep up if they mastered Obsevartion Haki, this puts a nail in the coffin of your dead arugment. Also how do you reconcile the fact that it takes a literal timeskip, several arcs and Sanji unlocking his Grema roots and heritage to actually dodge Lasers, Real Lasers BTW that are able to keep up with Marco. And it took Zoro a new sword which enhanced his powers to dodge an attack compared to that of Beam of Light https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-105755627876c61f5090d7bf558f060a-lq https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7e25af9aea6e7426caf27720cc9382bc-lq While claiming that Luffy and Zoro can dodge them pre skip. So according to your faggot logic Pre Skip Zoro and Luffy>>>>>Timeskip Wano Arc Sanji. Also Zoro never dodged Kuma’s laser, look carefully, in the panels you can see him visibly hurt from the explosion so that’s another debunk. Zoro was also effortlessly biltzed by Kizaru, which again debunks the narrative that the lasers are remotely the same as Kizaru’s light beams and Zoro was just as severely weakened as he was back in Thriller Bark post-Oars battle and in fact in both battles suffering the exact same injuries so don’t give me this”weakened” arugment. Another debunk to your argument is Kuma’s “Light speed “ pads. Given Kuma was directly aligned with Rayeleigh and casually blitzed the strawhats MUCH later on and Kuma is a top tier comparable to Marco, Sabo and Ace and none of the strawhats are anywhere close to Adrimial level and was testing/saving the strawhats, it’s safe to say even if he can actually attack at lightspeed, he was massively holding back against Zoro and the strawhats. And even then Observation Haki makes light dodging an Aim dodge more than debunks their speed being narutally at this range as they are reacting to predictions of attacks, meaning they are barely FTL with normal combat reaction speeds.After all its’ stated you need at least mastered Observraiton Haaki to dodge Light. . https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-fc9a12b76af941c0e2943b22bdf6061a-lq https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-88be6e8779d8a028a6883fff646406f7-lq Same Luffy couldn’t evade Lighnting pre skip which is not even 1/100th the speed of Light and only beat Eneeru because of Eneeru’s arrogance and his own immunity to lightning attacks. Zoro and Sanji who rival Luffy in speed were getting casually stomped by Lightning attacks by Eneeru so they’re nowhere close to Lightspeed. https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7d4af97d03d0bd511c20e37318b25f42 https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-fbeb535a107d59cf527e3a1b8f792c5a https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6f035b99b11c6524b5c87f76357be522 It’s not biased if it’s based on facts retard. Literally no Supernova dodged Kizaru’s attacks, attacks confirmed to be Lightspeed,this debunks them being FTL from the getgo and debunks the Pasfscita lasers being Lightspeed as the Supernovas can dodge those but not Kizaru using actual light form. Also shows they noticed him mid light form, they were all suprised when he appeared so that is another debunk. https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0c7501b82c7af6c8bed9b7488f10cf7d-pjlq Unless you claim Oda is wrong about Kizaru being the fastest in the verse and that you know more about Obseratvion Haki than the guy who made it, you have no argument. https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0c7501b82c7af6c8bed9b7488f10cf7d-pjlq Oh really faggot then what does this say again? This is literally from the word of god itself, are you saying you know better than the guy who literally created One Piece? He’s considered the top tier in speed and “possibly the fastest in the verse” by One Piece Wiki and Oda himself but lemme guess, you’re one the one right here and i’m wrong? In the 2DY One Piece Special canon to the manga, Rayleigh states that no one can move at the speed of Light and only those who mastered Observation Haki can hope to react or dodge lightspeed attacks. This puts a nail in the coffin of any OPtard claiming Pre skip Luffy is even close to Lightspeed. Either i’m lying or you’re the one full of shit. https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e5145b974e5bf0bb937d27027e418cc7-pjlq It’s repeatedly stated that Observation Haki makes one react to things faster than themselves to a cetrain extent. The only characters who can be argued to move FTL even without Observation haki are Kaido( who bltized Gear 4th Luffy) Whitebeard( who scales to him) and anyone of Yokno level,and of course Gear 5th Luffy, all objectively faster and stronger than Kizaru himself. https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0e0eaded26e640109ebd2ad7b2404c4f-pjlq BTW Aimdoging isn’t a speed nor counts as legit speed.This is what people call Aimdoging, Aim Dodging refers to the technique of avoiding linear attacks by re-positioning oneself away from the path of the attack before it is fired. The user can avoid linear attacks MUCH FASTER THAN THEMSELVES by simply quickly positioning themselves away from the path of the attack before it is fired. People might see this to not be true, but I it funny to find Luffy on the COVER of the aim-dodging page of the powerlisting wiki: ( The wiki page image change since the last time i was there thought) “ I find it funny that people will easily accept FTL Naruto, Bleach, and even One Punch Man but not One Piece “ Because all those aforementioned verses have quantifiable FTL feats with no contraindications to scaling or abilities https://imgur.com/STZKFd9 https://imgur.com/STZKFd9 https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/6/66/277C8442-9F48-43F3-AED5-FACB2EA86F9D.jpeg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/180?cb=20190620203839 https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/b/bf/95804E59-7A61-42D6-82B3-0ED1A7C3DB41.jpeg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/180?cb=20190620203900 https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/8/8a/18E9DAFA-44D4-4B8E-9FC0-B7B7E5D00B89.jpeg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/180?cb=20190620205107 https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/b/bf/Mifunesa.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/392?cb=20190620205801 https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/e/e6/FA827703-EBBE-4ACE-A830-4D07D2C51FBE.jpeg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/180?cb=20190621122557 https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/8/8f/E391D104-A1F7-4DC0-8F11-737508ABAC89.jpeg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/180?cb=20190621122621 https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/a/a2/85CDA65E-D83B-4707-9FAD-E6F00E249E81.jpeg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/180?cb=20190621122643 In Naruto, The Fourth Raikage is accepted as Lightspeed because MUCH SLOWER characters to Kages can react to Lightning speeds casually and Raikage has dodged actual Light attacks and can survive teleporting at Lightspeed. Kages are Relastvitc because they scale to Tsuande who can survive teleporting at Lightspeed(Abelt it barely and needed regeneration to survive Heavenly Transfer Jutsu/) and Madara in base can casually react to them(Making him FTL in base)you also have Light Novels that have charkaless Adult Naruto dodged Photon Lasers, you have multiple feats of Lightspeed/FTL Naruto characters throughout the war arc. There are ZERO contradictions with the feats here. https://imgur.com/a/uOzrT https://imgur.com/a/7PlRu https://imgur.com/a/uOzrT In Bleach, Shunsui fights Lille who is living Light and the Kizaru of the Bleachverse is able to dodge his Light beams and Yhwach in base is MUCH stronger than Shunsui. Yhwach also reacts to Minaigihai who can cross Lunar distances between the Soul King Palace and the Soul Society in a second and spam Light attacks from that distance within a second. Ichigo in True Bankai Horn of Salvation and Yhwach using Almighty+Soul King Powers should easily be much stronger than Shunsui and much faster so MFTL Bleach is plausible and not contradicted by anti feats, lesser feasts or scaling unless you use the CFYOW novel which kinda makes Bleach Peak at Lightspeed. Fairy Tail has Too many FTL feats to count, starting with Erza who can Can bltiz Midnight Note Midnight can react and bend light so he has Lightspeed reactions. Backed by the fact his abilities can generate mirages to create illusions and function like mirrors. Magic in FT fucintons the same as Nature so he’s deflecting natural light. Erza has scaling to X791 Dragon Force Sting who should scale to around DF Natsu speed and has explicit Lightspeed attacks Unlike One Piece, there’s not a billion powerscaling contradictions that prevent this from being confirmed and there are no contradictions in feats either,. https://imgur.com/esYYV8F https://imgur.com/7NrYPTH The Light we have seen in different record does not show any form of physical human interaction, and can be reflected by reflective material such as blades and ice. https://imgur.com/YcLo3i4 https://imgur.com/HpUZYph https://imgur.com/7NrYPTH Ranged Light does not explode and goes in a straight line. https://imgur.com/7NrYPTH https://imgur.com/Xguvz5Z Even the (Magic Power) operate surprisingly the same as electromagnetic light, such as with Moon Drip which harvests light/magic energy from the moon to melt ice, it refracts of the ice like real light does, requires zero obstruction of the light beam like real light does, and it harms the human body like UV light does. https://imgur.com/8YTW2DO Even magical Blades have a reflective properties too as light can reflect off it without any effort. https://imgur.com/WlJTpms As for the case of other light dodging feats, in Edolas (while not directly said) has devices that would work like flashlight, it flashes like light, does not have pressure and moves in a straight path, even the device the same structure as a flashlight. https://imgur.com/Cwwyfdx https://imgur.com/HXLrmjd this one is iffy but Erza’s Morning Star Armor has an attack which is called Photon Slicer, which would mean that their world has knowledge of photons, and her armor which emits light would have photons as light magic. http://www.laurawaller.com/opticsfun/sugarGRINlens.htm There have been experiments as to how light lasers are able to bend or curve which are call refractive index or gradient index, which the former is having a constant refractive index and varying shape, and the latter is having a constant shape and a varying refractive index. and example is a Water Tank with water and sugar diluted in it, the laser would curve towards higher density. https://imgur.com/3HMlNPF https://imgur.com/eoBfrP0 https://imgur.com/s1SY50x https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_refraction And in the manga, it is stated that the atmosphere possesses ethernanos, and ethernanos have properties of all sorts of elements. the Light refracts through the atmosphere which is occupied/filled with particles that all types of elements, both classical and periodic , which would give it a gradient refractive curve. and in reals life, the atmosphere causes refraction the denser the layers get. Even as Ethernanoes they still behave as their elements or act like them Even in that state, and compared to regular Lightning. His Roar is described as a laser, and it does not explode, as it just pierces through, as Light has energy and “Momentum”, and in some experiments have shown that light can move solid objects. https://imgur.com/3aDYoTm https://imgur.com/3aDYoTm It is not interacted physically like other energy beams have been done before. as it appeared to non-physically curved rather than physically blocked. https://imgur.com/R45YVWl As we have seen before, Sting like other Dragon Slayers can physically grasp elements that are normally unable to be grasped by real world human hands, even chewing on them, which is particular to their magics as no one else have shown to do. https://imgur.com/OWWf4iZ https://imgur.com/wLrmxJg It is a part of a power that utilizes light from multiple sources. https://imgur.com/K3I8Eys https://imgur.com/ckJkBOd It has heat based qualities as there is smoke from the affected areas and it is stated to have a burning affect. Does not explode either. Light (光ひかり) is translated as literally “Physically Perceived Light” A major feat from her fight in the Avatar Arc was effortlessly one-shotting Jetmore with her new armro faster than he can react. To back this point up, here’s her and Kinghtwalker using their fastest attacks . Erza is able to react to attacks that even Juvia can’t react. And all of this was “In the fucking Past”. You can wank Zoro to high heaven on speed( He couldn’t dodge Eneru’s Lightning twice Pre skip and has yet to display Lightspeed feats even in Wano Country) and claim he was FTL since the beginning of the series, by your logic, Lucy from Fairy Tail was FTl from the start and Erza>Lucy, Even if we wank the debunked and overatted Thriller Bark laser feat( Zoro actually got burned by the laser but nevermind that shit) and say his base is 10 times faster timeskip and he can get over 100 times stronger than that, it still wouldn’t hold a candle to Erza’s actual speed feats. Erza blitzed Midnight who’s abilities can bend and reflect light giving him up to Lightspeed reaction speed and BTW, that’s not even her fastest armor nor her strongest, it’s a mid tier armor with that level of speed. Her fastest armor should be faster than her Photon Slicer Attack which is a literal beam of light that attacks with a photon laser which also can function as a bright light so it’s inaurgably Lightspeed. While in this feat that occurs in the edolas arc Erza Knightwalker manages to react and cut through erza photon slicer attack at point blank. Her Flight Armor is fast enough to trade blows with Kingthwalker who can react and counter Erza’s Photon Slicer. Note even if we accept the laughably wanked Pasfsctia lasers( which are actually WAY slower than Kizaru who’s only LS BTW) Erza not even trying has Relastvic combat speed and was no diffing Sub Rel Natsu She’s fast enough to keep pace with Laxus who can shoot Lightning faster than Natural Lightning with ease, making his lightning bare minimum as fast as the return stroke of Lightning which is 1/3rd the speed of Lightning and Laxus only gets MUCH faster as well as her. Her frist timeskip speed should be superior to Natsu’s who in base was dodging actual Lightspeed attacks from Sting which are confirmed by numerous calcs and sources to be real light and BTW unlike Kizaru, Sting isn’t the top tier of speed in FT so no amount of downplay on your part is going to change that fact, hell you can use Haku as a downplay argument and it wouldn’t change the fact Erza is quantifiably FTL. The latter having accepted Sub Relastvic reaction speeds PRE SKIP. Erza was dodging that shit easily Pre Skip and she casually bltizes Natsu and Gajeel who can react at said speeds. Sting has confirmed Lightspeed attacks that Natsu dodged and Erza>Natsu in power https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-396b1268b2da9d5a07d1067f67b225fa-lq You also have Pre Series Gildarts dodging actual Light attacks which prelude Erza and Erza should easily scale to a younger Gildarts. So yeah even if you severely lowball Erza’s speed, she would be at least Relastvic and again this was with severe Low Balling. She also scales in X791 to Pre Skip/Pre Seires Gildarts who has a casual FTL feat back in the Ice trial manga which is canon to the main series and given her base was effortlessly finessing Lightning attacks, it’s safe say her base speed in X791>Her max speed in X784. Her Timeskip speed should easily be 10 times faster in X792 and that’s vast lowballing. Her speed should be faster than Marin Hollow’s teleportation hax that are FTL via Quantum Manipulation and her power should be at least Sppargian level which includes Wal Itchi who has many casual Lightspeed attacks Except he does, he doesn’t just have concrete FTL feats but also FTL powerscaling. https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/fb861955-059a-4ed0-8927-ef131181116f/df2uwtr-f31c9295-c918-4c46-b4af-9687cd4accff.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2ZiODYxOTU1LTA1OWEtNGVkMC04OTI3LWVmMTMxMTgxMTE2ZlwvZGYydXd0ci1mMzFjOTI5NS1jOTE4LTRjNDYtYjRhZi05Njg3Y2Q0YWNjZmYucG5nIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.a71sFqeMwcKhZZEryztig5u0R6y7DhZpxXWg0Fio2Sc https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/fb861955-059a-4ed0-8927-ef131181116f/df2uwu7-d08b31e5-1838-491a-927f-1311c88256c5.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2ZiODYxOTU1LTA1OWEtNGVkMC04OTI3LWVmMTMxMTgxMTE2ZlwvZGYydXd1Ny1kMDhiMzFlNS0xODM4LTQ5MWEtOTI3Zi0xMzExYzg4MjU2YzUucG5nIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.uQfaaXUqR4-TiyNeAzHhq6GHTOaOjrwVYPN1lkM6-Fw https://universeconquest.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:CNBA3/Sting%27s_Laser_Speed Natsu literally dodged Lasers from Sting, a White Dragon Slayer But even ingoring that, you have Sting in base timeskip shooting Light beams confirmed to be actual Light here so even if you ingore the Lucy feats and just go with Stings 1000% confrimed Lightspeed feats, given Dragon Force is a massive 100fold muptiler making you go from getting one shotted by a casual base Erza to being able to overpower and defeat an Erza tier opponent at their full power and Natsu in base was able to beat both dragon slayers while both were at their peak power, just this alone makes Natsu,Sting and Rouge Massively FTL by powerscaling and would still make the Tatatarus arc feat consistent. https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/fb861955-059a-4ed0-8927-ef131181116f/df2uwnj-0aafadaf-ae00-4b49-900b-c7986425eab1.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2ZiODYxOTU1LTA1OWEtNGVkMC04OTI3LWVmMTMxMTgxMTE2ZlwvZGYydXduai0wYWFmYWRhZi1hZTAwLTRiNDktOTAwYi1jNzk4NjQyNWVhYjEucG5nIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.gXNhpAHO4G99y_1yqkz9yL8b9m8NLpJnRY5ZKqFCXDM This is backed by the lasers being delfected like actual light. https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/fb861955-059a-4ed0-8927-ef131181116f/df2v0gt-d12919e9-ae1c-46a6-94de-4463a4385c6d.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2ZiODYxOTU1LTA1OWEtNGVkMC04OTI3LWVmMTMxMTgxMTE2ZlwvZGYydjBndC1kMTI5MTllOS1hZTFjLTQ2YTYtOTRkZS00NDYzYTQzODVjNmQucG5nIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.lU-z9Jcm8ZKSgYqhGsj3pLAug2l4EYaSnC-asFXGjcA Hell even if you severely lowball the speed by having Haku in the recent chapter be confrimed the only Lightspeed character prior to that point, Erza is FAR stronger and faster than Wendy’s dragon force which bltizstomped that same Haku so even severely lowballing, Erza is at least Massively FTL by powerscaling alone and Natsu being relative is this fast as well. https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/fb861955-059a-4ed0-8927-ef131181116f/df2uvxl-a516b55a-a52b-474d-b2f1-aeeb2a356500.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2ZiODYxOTU1LTA1OWEtNGVkMC04OTI3LWVmMTMxMTgxMTE2ZlwvZGYydXZ4bC1hNTE2YjU1YS1hNTJiLTQ3NGQtYjJmMS1hZWViMmEzNTY1MDAucG5nIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.ubl0dgiN02fw-liq5sMDNNQJIJ0ULpdWFU6y2BOj8KE Haku should be no slower than Lacarade who can spam Light attacks and Alaverz Arc Kagura can cut them so fast, she’s leaving afterimages of herself reacting to the light attacks and Current Erza>Alaverz Arc Erza=>Laracade>Kagura and given Four Dragon Slayer Kinghts are Gildarts level, they scale to the Top Sparrigan 12 members who are much stronger than normal sparrigans. https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/fb861955-059a-4ed0-8927-ef131181116f/df2uw7r-a7d57ee2-4853-4c77-ae3b-2cea51cc06b9.png/v1/fill/w_894,h_894,q_70,strp/image_by_ironzombie34_df2uw7r-pre.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7ImhlaWdodCI6Ijw9MTI4MCIsInBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2ZiODYxOTU1LTA1OWEtNGVkMC04OTI3LWVmMTMxMTgxMTE2ZlwvZGYydXc3ci1hN2Q1N2VlMi00ODUzLTRjNzctYWUzYi0yY2VhNTFjYzA2YjkucG5nIiwid2lkdGgiOiI8PTEyODAifV1dLCJhdWQiOlsidXJuOnNlcnZpY2U6aW1hZ2Uub3BlcmF0aW9ucyJdfQ.EQHGGwTZzvwXh9z_O-_50CSTRt798dXEFx7i4yHBf5U Of which Wal can use actual laser beams which consist of actual Light. Eitherway you slice it, Fairy Tail has plenty of actual Lightspeed to FTL feats and even low balling the fuck out the series, the top and god tiers of FT are still Masssively FTL. https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/fb861955-059a-4ed0-8927-ef131181116f/df2v0gt-d12919e9-ae1c-46a6-94de-4463a4385c6d.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiL CJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2ZiODYxOTU1LTA1OWEtNGVkMC04OTI3LWVmMTMxMTgxMTE2ZlwvZGYydjBndC1kMTI5MTllOS1hZTFjLTQ2YTYtOTRkZS00NDYzYTQzODVjNmQucG5nIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.lU-z9Jcm8ZKSgYqhGsj3pLAug2l4EYaSnC-asFXGjcA https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/fb861955-059a-4ed0-8927-ef131181116f/df2uspr-86ca47b3-b667-436f-b60f-52bc8f7f1c5b.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2ZiODYxOTU1LTA1OWEtNGVkMC04OTI3LWVmMTMxMTgxMTE2ZlwvZGYydXNwci04NmNhNDdiMy1iNjY3LTQzNmYtYjYwZi01MmJjOGY3ZjFjNWIucG5nIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.QOmn0JG5x8o1fkDxaJxZTJj4GvMnkMWJtsbfPQUTQrc https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/fb861955-059a-4ed0-8927-ef131181116f/df2usqs-f5d9998c-4020-4436-bd76-c04777773116.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2ZiODYxOTU1LTA1OWEtNGVkMC04OTI3LWVmMTMxMTgxMTE2ZlwvZGYydXNxcy1mNWQ5OTk4Yy00MDIwLTQ0MzYtYmQ3Ni1jMDQ3Nzc3NzMxMTYucG5nIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.xpeZN1qbrv1iq3VdkjmaykMU2GC2BFUZTm6lky3hf0o Hell even Lucy who’s far weaker than GMG Natsu, a complete rookie and absoulte fodder without her keys Pre skip can dodge Lasers Lasers confirmed to be real laser beams as they use Baryon particles which is a wavelength of Light. This makes this concerte light speed. Unlike most “lasers” in anime https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/fb861955-059a-4ed0-8927-ef131181116f/df2uzx6-3d1ccaea-c5ac-45b1-9772-21c49cbfb0c7.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2ZiODYxOTU1LTA1OWEtNGVkMC04OTI3LWVmMTMxMTgxMTE2ZlwvZGYydXp4Ni0zZDFjY2FlYS1jNWFjLTQ1YjEtOTc3Mi0yMWM0OWNiZmIwYzcucG5nIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.tBxq3s1aKMt3lPZB8cX870MUbxuk_OymRaureQ7tb2M Especially the Passifcsta Lasers [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDeQP5Y7Tus?version=3&rel=1&showsearch=0&showinfo=1&iv_load_policy=1&fs=1&hl=en&autohide=2&wmode=transparent&w=750&h=422] [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mX74CtBcGmc?version=3&rel=1&showsearch=0&showinfo=1&iv_load_policy=1&fs=1&hl=en&autohide=2&wmode=transparent&w=750&h=422] One Piece where the Passficta lasers depsite being Kizaru’s element are nowhere near as fast as Kizaru and Kizaru is basically a god tier in speed which by default debunks any FTL One Piece claims unless proven otherwise. Unlike One Piece,THERE IS ZERO CONTRADICTIONS IN THESE FEATS. [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oj8vHFITyTE?version=3&rel=1&showsearch=0&showinfo=1&iv_load_policy=1&fs=1&hl=en&autohide=2&wmode=transparent&w=750&h=422] A heavily suppressed Gajeel if anything backs this as he lowered his power level so some fodder ass mages can beat him up and depsite taking a beating was still able to react to a casual Lightning blast from Laxus who uses real lightning in his attacks, VSBW did an excellent calc on this putting the speed at 2% the speed of Light and Sub Realstvic and this was with a Heavily supresssed, faiguted Gajeel who purposely weakened himself to atone for his sins in previous arcs against Fairy Tail. It’s safe to assume Base Gajeel is way faster than Lucy without celestial sprit keys. https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/fb861955-059a-4ed0-8927-ef131181116f/df2uvn4-d08ad2a5-8149-46f3-acd2-9874a5cb9fc0.png/v1/fill/w_900,h_496,q_80,strp/image_by_ironzombie34_df2uvn4-fullview.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7ImhlaWdodCI6Ijw9NDk2IiwicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvZmI4NjE5NTUtMDU5YS00ZWQwLTg5MjctZWYxMzExODExMTZmXC9kZjJ1dm40LWQwOGFkMmE1LTgxNDktNDZmMy1hY2QyLTk4NzRhNWNiOWZjMC5wbmciLCJ3aWR0aCI6Ijw9OTAwIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmltYWdlLm9wZXJhdGlvbnMiXX0.SfUm5RM3CiPLPTu4GVGFf0-HxhN-zjS_mTbMhHSpxlA This is further backed by several arcs previously, he can react to Loki’s attacks which should be relative to Biscklow’s lasers which is actual Light https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/fb861955-059a-4ed0-8927-ef131181116f/df2ux0c-300f1f4c-ef76-4e45-9e2d-d130c8020fdd.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2ZiODYxOTU1LTA1OWEtNGVkMC04OTI3LWVmMTMxMTgxMTE2ZlwvZGYydXgwYy0zMDBmMWY0Yy1lZjc2LTRlNDUtOWUyZC1kMTMwYzgwMjBmZGQucG5nIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.M3G4wjDq18qwHc2_026xzPqdRg4KWkBbhMZ1JrU_W08 There’s no debating this feat is concrete lightspeed, not only does it match the name of the attacks, the lasers move in a straight line, they can be delfected as opposed to being held back tangibily. https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/fb861955-059a-4ed0-8927-ef131181116f/df2ux0c-300f1f4c-ef76-4e45-9e2d-d130c8020fdd.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2ZiODYxOTU1LTA1OWEtNGVkMC04OTI3LWVmMTMxMTgxMTE2ZlwvZGYydXgwYy0zMDBmMWY0Yy1lZjc2LTRlNDUtOWUyZC1kMTMwYzgwMjBmZGQucG5nIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.M3G4wjDq18qwHc2_026xzPqdRg4KWkBbhMZ1JrU_W08 and Magic in Fairy Tail is no different from natural elements in real life . https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/fb861955-059a-4ed0-8927-ef131181116f/df2v0ct-fc3e8afd-dea1-4b97-a9ca-23f546fa0c79.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2ZiODYxOTU1LTA1OWEtNGVkMC04OTI3LWVmMTMxMTgxMTE2ZlwvZGYydjBjdC1mYzNlOGFmZC1kZWExLTRiOTctYTljYS0yM2Y1NDZmYTBjNzkucG5nIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.7UfYSpqb0Ze2vhbqdi0yK1fk-rWyUmdTQ1X-cDOOIio Consistent with characters like Hades reacting to Light attacks from Marakov https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/fb861955-059a-4ed0-8927-ef131181116f/df2uw14-8409e8d3-013f-48ee-a850-ce488d1bf193.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2ZiODYxOTU1LTA1OWEtNGVkMC04OTI3LWVmMTMxMTgxMTE2ZlwvZGYydXcxNC04NDA5ZThkMy0wMTNmLTQ4ZWUtYTg1MC1jZTQ4OGQxYmYxOTMucG5nIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.xvhMNo7trf3Ic6G1PLGoCExKT6nqjnJKwYnGngl06dg And Gildarts at a notably younger and much weaker state reacting to Lasers casually. 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https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/fb861955-059a-4ed0-8927-ef131181116f/df2ux8n-285166d6-fde9-4687-b4ba-f85354dbc1b2.png/v1/fill/w_910,h_704,q_80,strp/image_by_ironzombie34_df2ux8n-fullview.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7ImhlaWdodCI6Ijw9NzA0IiwicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvZmI4NjE5NTUtMDU5YS00ZWQwLTg5MjctZWYxMzExODExMTZmXC9kZjJ1eDhuLTI4NTE2NmQ2LWZkZTktNDY4Ny1iNGJhLWY4NTM1NGRiYzFiMi5wbmciLCJ3aWR0aCI6Ijw9OTEwIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmltYWdlLm9wZXJhdGlvbnMiXX0.0EzRy9mzSg2MXwazKgcvPeRMC_KKinyuK7wrtro3vHs Even VS Battle Wiki has Fariy Tail God tiers at least Massively FTl via powerscalingAnd they’re know for downplaying verses they don’t like. https://imgur.com/a/PrYOjfI https://imgur.com/a/AIRDOG5 https://imgur.com/a/c5VRZ7L https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/8/8a/Saitama%C3%A7o1as.png/revision/latest?cb=20220511201256 https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/c/c7/Atomicsamschsasd.png/revision/latest?cb=20220306162912 https://imgur.com/a/YTLuR https://streamable.com/ae2oh https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/4/4d/Atomicsamsch.png/revision/latest?cb=20220306162932 https://imgur.com/fFFRISi https://imgur.com/T9NDLxM https://streamable.com/ae2oh https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/f/f1/Pluctones.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/310?cb=20200311002629 https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/7/70/Plutokes.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/310?cb=20200311002912 https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/4/45/Saitomes_2.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20200310235909 https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/3/3b/PSYKOS_OCEAN_REDO.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20200708171301 https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6e253b432ecfe9ac32a6cfde6d486cdd-lq https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-05639e13989c669284f877de90f90a10-lq https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-44db437cc4eea5c0f52168df686a1d20-lq https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6ae5aea3853bf71d696ce04e286d00fc-pjlq One Punch Man literally has Saitama casually crossing the Moon to earth in seconds, numboerus feats proving FTL One Punch Man, and Saitama currently has Massively FTL concrete speed and powerscaling such as dodging very fast rocks from ftl characters while under gravity, characters cutting beams that can split continents in half instantly,Saitama seeing the back of his head relefeciton with raw speed, Saitama moving so fast he was creating omidrecitonal afterimages each fast enough to cross entire planets in nanoseconds and casually outscales lightspeed characters, FTL feats are common amongst S Class heros. https://imgur.com/4y9glvQ?r One Piece on the other hand has only Kizaru who has confirmed Lightspeed abilties and Lightspeed speed and reactions and has numerous times stated dodging Light is not possible without Observation Haki which every top tier in One Piece knows.Every peace of lore, narrative, powerscaling and feats point to Kizaru being the fastest known character in One Piece. Any feat below Kizaru is objectivtely slower than Light and only characters like the Yonkos, Admirals and “even though there is way more proof of FTL in it than those series. OP is the most downplayed of the HST as well which feeds into this denial.” Most downplayed? Bro it’s the most wanked of the HST when it comes to speed feats, Bleach being the most wanked overall verse in VS Battle communties. You OPtards use nothing but contradictions and Outliers to argue your narrative when narrative, lore, feats and scaling objectively make One Piece peak at Lightspeed. https://imgur.com/a/KOImP https://imgur.com/a/djyJw Anyone can wank any “Laser dodging” feat to their characters being FTL. Need I explain how Bleachtards wank the Neagicon feat which puts Vice Captains at FTL speeds? By their logic and by your logic, TB Ichigo and Almighty Soul King Yhwach would be easily Quintillions of times Lightspeed and WAY faster than even wanked OP MFTL+ speed which at best peaks at Quadrillions of times Lightspeed which is FAR slower than wanked Bleach. So massively wanked Bleach speed>Massively wanked One Piece speed. https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-cb705414460dc167173694c837f4c9a3-lq https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d85b6bf5f418f61e7033ec581cab48d8-lq Of course anyone with a brain knows no Bleach character is Lightspeed or faster until Shunsui uses Bankai as Gin can blitz most Captains who are far faster than Vice Captains with his Mach 500 Bankai which completely contradicts the scaling of Bleach wank claiming Vice Captains are FTL. [youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt-4hB0KNLA?version=3&rel=1&showsearch=0&showinfo=1&iv_load_policy=1&fs=1&hl=en&autohide=2&wmode=transparent&w=750&h=422] https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/d/d9/0617-007.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/400?cb=20190620235218 Naruto also has plenty of “Lightspeed “ feats from complete and utter fodder. Fodder Shinobi can use Storm Laser Circus which is stated to be the speed of Light. Fodder shinobi are hundreds of times slower and weaker than Jounin level Shinobi as the Sound Four needed a combined 100 times muptiler in power just to beat Low tier Jounin/Special Jounin . Haku who’s above Kakashi and Zazuba who are far stronger than average Jounins can move at “Lightspeed” and Naruto would be easily Immeasurable by your logic and Narutard logic if we go by this scaling ,especially since Minato can move in time space which makes him immeasurable speed wise and characters WAY stronger than that outspeed Minato, do i even need to explain how this is all massive wank? Unless you think Haku is comparable to the Raikage and people FAR below the Raikage can survive Mabui’s Heavenly Transfer Jutsu, MFTL Fodder is just comical levels of wank. Stay mad One Piece peaks at Lightspeed, until you can prove anyone is faster than LikeLike
  21. Wordp[ress acting goofy with my comment replies so going to debunk your point one point at a time so hopefully it’s more clear

    “Only skimmed parts of this article so I’ll address a few things: ”

    Translation: You ignored all evidence that contradicts your worldview and didn’t bother to read the post

    “Saying Sanji is slower than lightning because he couldn’t react to Eneru’s attacks is false because he still scales to Kalifa who did ”

    Again you clearly didn’t bother to read the arguments, did you? I can tell your faggot ass is butthurt.




    Yet failed to dodge Lightning against Eeneru, I guess by your dumbass logic Nami’s Lightning >Eneeru’s Lightning despite one confirmed to actually move at Lightning speed and one merely having an attack that moves at Lightning speed but their actual combat speed is barely Supersonic.





    It’s very obvious Kailfa aim dodged Lightning as she can predict the attack patterns during the fight, also while the Lightning is fast, the cloud formations are FAR SLOWER than Lightning and Nami herself is far slower than Lightning. ( Chapter 411 , Pages 12-13)













    You are trying to tell me Kaifla is Lightning speed when she can’t even handle Sanji who was massively holding back against her as he doesn’t hit women

    ( Chapter 403 pages 3-7 ,12-14)



    Same Snaji who got blitzed repeatedly by Eeneru





    Also Kafila was hit by Lightning Multiple times which debunks her being Lightning speed even when she can anpaciate the direction of the Lightning strike ,( Chapter 411 Page 13.17 and Chapter 412 pages 2 and 9)



    This proves that her previous reaction to Nami’s Lightning was an aim dodge at best and an outlier at worst.

    https://imgur.com/a/7N9zH

    Given Nami is comparable to Usopp and barely fast enough to react to bullets


    https://imgur.com/a/wVliB
    it’s safe to say Kafila who should have reaction speeds comparable to Yama in Skypeda who can casually react to cannonballs and Kurodmai and Base Lucci as a teenager who can react to bullets and cannon fire would be MUCH faster than Nami’s combat speed/reaction speed so her dodging Lightning despite being far slower than lightning makes sense.


    Trying to claim Kafila is as fast as Lightning is like claiming the Punisher is as fast as bullets because he avoided the trajectory of the bullets.

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  22. “and this scaling is justified because we know for a fact that the Straw Hats and other characters get stronger arc after arc or gain massive jumps in power suddenly.”




    Yet they couldn’t do shit to Pacifistas and needed their team effort against a single Pasfiscta who at best is as strong as Zoan Robi Lucci which had them all exhausted.

    https://imgur.com/a/aCUzqTN
    https://imgur.com/IgyQjfb
    https://imgur.com/a/qEfMb2Y
    Luffy literally one-shotted Pasfisctas with Gear Third whereas Lucci can survive (Abelt barely) the very same punches.


    Pasfisctas have stronger defenses than Tekkai and the strawhats barely defeat even one of them.

    https://imgur.com/rnbSGkM
    If Luffy truly got much stronger than Ensis Lobby, then he can one v one it like he does in the timeskip but because he can’t, we can easily refute this as a debunked argument which debunks the “Massively stronger” argument.

    Also Nami and Ussop never get stronger throughout Pre Skip, they get better weaponry but they don’t get stronger so that debunks your argument, and Franky’s power never improves or gets stronger between Water 7 and Sabody Apcoheiglo, this is a weak argument on your part.


    https://imgur.com/a/zo7V02e

    https://imgur.com/a/sXIxsVT

    Contrast this with Dragonball Z which has Raditz who is the strongest character Goku and Piccolo ever faced at their point of their lives. Goku and Piccolo couldn’t even touch Raditz.



    https://imgur.com/a/YUW78Or
    Who Saibamen are are easily as strong as in the next arc and Kirllin,. Gohan and Piccolo can hold their own and easily beat them,Kirillin killing all 3 of them at once in one attack.

    https://imgur.com/a/bSRT9So

    The next arc after that, Fireza foot soldiers are easily as powerful as Raditz yet Gohan and Kirllin both clap them with ZERO difficulty, this is what massively stronger every arc looks like.

    Meanwhile you got ZERO evidence that characters in pre skip one piece get MUCH stronger per arc.If anything Bon Clay aka Mr 2 and Mr 3 completely debunk your narrative as they’re comparable to base Luffy post Ensis Lobby. When you can prove Luffy can one shot Rob Lucci tier characters in one hit two arcs after Water 7, then we can talk.

    ” For example, in Water 7, the Straw Hats get dominated by CP9 but in Enies Lobby, they match and even beat them. Law got dominated by Doflamingo in Dressrosa but barely a month later can keep up with Big Mom and Kaido.”

    Comparing Law who has gotten notably stronger to Strawhats, the majority not having Devil Fruits( Sanji, Zoro, Franky, Ussop, and Nami) is fucking comical levels of failure on your part. Do tell me how much stronger Ussop and Nami got?

    I think you forget that Law didn’t beat Big Mom on his own and was inferior to her and Kid carried that battle

    “There is even a statement from Zoro confirming the crew gets stronger after every battle. ”

    Statements=/=Feats fucktard

    Again, do tell me how much stronger Nami and Ussop get when they battle. oh right they don’t because they don’t have anything close to the combat abilities of other straw hats at least not Pre skip

    Wasn’t aware OP characters were Saiyans all of the sudden

    I can literally make this argument for ANY Anime series. Ichigo in the Arrancar Arc got “stronger” because the previous arc happened and the characters like Byakuya became irrelevant fodder.

    Oh wait he didn’t, Byakuya literally is able to fight Espada tier characters like Ichigo, and guess what One Piece is literally no different.


    https://imgur.com/a/zXnLR
    https://imgur.com/a/zXnLR



    https://imgur.com/a/47Dk0
    Mr 2 is a good counter argument to your argument. Mr 2 didn’t get any stronger from Alabasta and is still at best around base Luffy level yet was keeping up with Luffy who unlocked Gear 2nd and was several arcs past Alabasta yet Mr 2, a character who didn’t get even the slightest bit stronger was keeping up with Luffy who supposedly got “MUCH stronger” than when they first fought

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  23. “IIRC, Oda stated that he dislikes training arcs as well. All in all, this means you can’t use Sanji’s performance in Skypia as proof that he isn’t faster than lightning because he is much stronger in Enies Lobby.”

    https://imgur.com/a/zXnLR
    Mr2 says Hi, he didn’t get any stronger,especially shackled with sea stone handcuffs and was purposely put in a prison which prevents Devil frutis from getting stronger, tortured and starved to death yet was keeping up with Luffy Post Ensis Lobby despite being weaker than he was in Alabasta.


    https://imgur.com/a/zXnLR
    https://imgur.com/a/zXnLR



    https://imgur.com/a/47Dk0
    Also not an excuse bro, dislike showing training arcs doesn’t explain away Narrative or feats. Mr 2 with no training, no means of getting stronger and being tortured and deprived of any type of recovery was keeping up just fine with Luffy who you claim got “MUCH stronger “ since Alabasta

    Sanji Alabasta/ Skypiea arc is no stronger than base Sanji in Water 7. Again a weakened and barely recovered Mr 2 was still keeping up just fine with Base Luffy who’s relative in speed to base Sanji so this debunks your argument that “Sanji is much faster in Water 7”








    This also is irrelevant even if he was faster because he MASSIVELY HELD BACK ON KAFILA . Even if you want to argue Sanji got a Super Sayian tier muptiler in power from Skypiea, Sanji got a massive mental and physical nerf fighting Kafila to the point Kafila can one shot him despite being 5 times weaker than Jaba. Toone shot someone, you have to be over 7.5 times stronger than the person. Kafila isn’t even half as strong as Sanji let alone 7.5 times stronger, to go from beating Jabba Mid Difficulty to getting completely stomped by Kafila, he would’ve had to gotten 37.5 times weaker and slower to get stomped this badly so Kafila isn’t even close to Lightning speed if she is MUCH slower than a guy who can’t dodge Lightning.

    “As for FTL One Piece, while PTS Luffy certainly isn’t FTL, I’m certain that top tiers or at least close to it, there are just too many light speed feats to say otherwise. “

    You just admitted Luffy isn’t FTL so you concede to my point all along,good to know. At least you admitted defeat on FTL Pre Skip strawhats, what if i told you even in Timeskip, they’re still not FTL

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  24. “Your nitpicks with Foxy’s beams and even claiming that Oda said Kizaru is the fastest when he really didn’t doesn’t disprove that notion.”

    OPtards like you have no new arguments or actual retorts to Oda’s numerous statements of Kizaru>The Entire OPverse in speed.

    https://imgur.com/a/W9PQUb2
    https://imgur.com/a/2gsejE8
    https://imgur.com/a/U1nl0BL
    the blast that foxy was firing at him right now, Luffy was barely dodging them numerous times in the fight and resort to aim dodge to position his body before the beam was gonna hit him. He blitz Foxy before he finished making a complete sentence and got the better of his powers by using the mirror that was stuck in his afro earlier.

    Also Foxy’s powers even if your can argue are Light aren’t actual Lightspeed for numerous reasons

    Let’s see if the Foxy abilities stand up to method of test.

    Foxy ate the Devil Fruit the Noro Noro no Mi which allows him to fire microscopic particles as beams of light that can slow down his enemies or other objects for 30 seconds (he demonstrates this by slowing down a cannon ball fired at him, only to get hit by the cannonball anyway when he was gloating over its power for too long). When he cheats, he frequently uses these powers to increase the impact of his attacks or stop his opponents in their tracks. Luffy manages to beat this power by using a shard from a mirror he found on Foxy’s ship, reflecting the Noroma photons back at him, then delivering a final blow with a 30 second delay.

    The beam refracts in a new material, such as a liquid or…
    The beam reflects off a material that it can be expected to, such as a non-magical mirror Check
    The beam is called lightspeed by reliable sources not confrimed
    It is stated to be made of photons or light itself, again by a reliable source check
    It has its origin at a realistic source of light, such as a camera nope
    Addimtitely Foxy’s attacks almost reach the definitions of Lightspeed attacks, but then again so does Haku by this same standard however they’re also this.

    Furthermore, there are a few criteria which show a beam is NOT real light:
    It is shown at different speeds in the same material
    It is tangible and can be interacted with physically by normal humans
    They do not travel in straight lines (unless you can prove refraction/reflection, see above)
    https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/9/9b/Noro_Noro_Beam_Sword.png/revision/latest?cb=20141118060428

    The fact Foxy can curve his attacks debunks it being Lightspeed because Pure Light can’t curve so it’s not a qaunftiable Lightspeed feat in the slightest.

    Furthermore, his Lightspeed is entirely inconsistent given it could barely tag Pre Water 7 Arc Luffy Who has reflexes far slower than Lightning?


    Who had characters on par with him completely bltizstomped by Lightning. Hell if it wasn’t for the fact Luffy was made of Rubber, Eneru would’ve effortlessly ended the strawhats where they stood.




    https://imgur.com/a/243edaG
    Funny how Kizaru casually curbstomped both Luffy and Zoro and effortlessly blitzed not only them

    https://imgur.com/a/tAclQ
    https://imgur.com/a/rpW6v
    https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-85d5a5393c71a94f61a996ee1156a420-lq








    But all the other SUpernovas who are all Relative to Zoro and Luffy.

    https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-105755627876c61f5090d7bf558f060a-lq
    https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7e25af9aea6e7426caf27720cc9382bc-lq

    Meanwhile the strawhats and the supernovas are dodging Pasfactia lasers. Either light works vastly different in one piece in which you have two sperate tiers of light or one laser is clearly MUCH SLOWER THAN THE OTHER.



    For fucksake USSOP CAN OUTRUN THEM!


    https://imgur.com/a/4ATZe

    https://imgur.com/a/txGjA
    Same Ussop who struggles to dodge rockets,explosives and gunfire, unless you’re saying rockets and bullets also move at Lightspeed, then you got no argument.

    https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/b/b7/Kaido%27s_Thunder_Bagua.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20220702080552
    Given there’s a blatant speed gap between Post Dressora Luffy and Kaido who casually blitzes Lufffy in Gear 4th And Kaido’s minions are too much for Zoro and Snaji’s previous limits and both NEEDED to achieve a new level of power entirely in their fights to keep up .And one of those minions happen to have actual Lightspeed attacks


    https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/8/80/Marco_Talks_to_Queen.png/revision/latest?cb=20210412233943
    https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/f/f8/MarcoPXquenn_%283%29.png/revision/latest?cb=20210412042131
    Which is comparable to Marco’s speed

    Who can react to Kizarus Lightspeed
    It’s safe to say that NO ONE PRE DRESSORA is Lightspeed within the strawhats.

    Hell Big Mom was hit by Lightning attacks from Nami which i doubt increased her attack speed given her abilties are fixated on nature and not DF power so can’t evolve past their limaitons so that’s a clear debunk of anyone in Pre skip being FTL unless they’re relative to Kizaru
    Granted Big Mom wasn’t taking Nami seriously and we know she’s equal to Kaido

    Buit it only makes the scaling for Luffy’s speed worse as in Whole Cake Island, he couldn’t blitz Big Mom in Gear 4th and she was holding back against him so this further debunks any Pre skip Lightspeed feat if Big Mom who’s WAY faster than Pre skip strawhats can’t even dodge Lightning in her suppressed form yet was able to block the fastest and strongest strawhat at the time with little efofrt.





    Given Zoro was getting bltized by Lightning Pre Skip, Lightning is MUCH slower than Light this is pretty consistent with showings from Big Mom and timeskip characters.


    HELL HE CAN’T EVEN DODGE LIGHTNING POST TIMESKIP IN THE WANO ARC,LOL.


    NEITHER COULD LUFFFY, DOUBLE LOL.

    Which sounds more plausible, Kizaru being FTL in a verse that has ZERO concrete Lightspeed feats and based on contradictory claims and statements

    https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0c7501b82c7af6c8bed9b7488f10cf7d-pjlq

    Or Kizaru being the only confirmed Lightspeed character and only top tier Observation haki users having any kind of reflexes and reaction speed to keep up. Unless you claiming Oda is wrong about Kizaru being the fastest in the verse and that you know more about Obseratvion Haki than the guy who made it, you have no argument. Literally your god Oda claims no one in the verse is faster than Kizaru and they can only keep up if they mastered Obsevartion Haki, this puts a nail in the coffin of your dead arugment.













    Also how do you reconcile the fact that it takes a literal timeskip, several arcs and Sanji unlocking his Grema roots and heritage to actually dodge Lasers, Real Lasers BTW that are able to keep up with Marco.






    And it took Zoro a new sword which enhanced his powers to dodge an attack compared to that of Beam of Light

    https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-105755627876c61f5090d7bf558f060a-lq
    https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7e25af9aea6e7426caf27720cc9382bc-lq
    While claiming that Luffy and Zoro can dodge them pre skip.

    So according to your faggot logic Pre Skip Zoro and Luffy>>>>>Timeskip Wano Arc Sanji.


    Also Zoro never dodged Kuma’s laser, look carefully, in the panels you can see him visibly hurt from the explosion so that’s another debunk.



    Zoro was also effortlessly biltzed by Kizaru, which again debunks the narrative that the lasers are remotely the same as Kizaru’s light beams and Zoro was just as severely weakened as he was back in Thriller Bark post-Oars battle and in fact in both battles suffering the exact same injuries so don’t give me this”weakened” arugment.








    Another debunk to your argument is Kuma’s “Light speed “ pads. Given Kuma was directly aligned with Rayeleigh and casually blitzed the strawhats MUCH later on and Kuma is a top tier comparable to Marco, Sabo and Ace and none of the strawhats are anywhere close to Adrimial level and was testing/saving the strawhats, it’s safe to say even if he can actually attack at lightspeed, he was massively holding back against Zoro and the strawhats.



    And even then Observation Haki makes light dodging an Aim dodge more than debunks their speed being narutally at this range as they are reacting to predictions of attacks, meaning they are barely FTL with normal combat reaction speeds.After all its’ stated you need at least mastered Observraiton Haaki to dodge Light.

    .
    https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-fc9a12b76af941c0e2943b22bdf6061a-lq
    https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-88be6e8779d8a028a6883fff646406f7-lq
    Same Luffy couldn’t evade Lighnting pre skip which is not even 1/100th the speed of Light and only beat Eneeru because of Eneeru’s arrogance and his own immunity to lightning attacks. Zoro and Sanji who rival Luffy in speed were getting casually stomped by Lightning attacks by Eneeru so they’re nowhere close to Lightspeed.

    https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-7d4af97d03d0bd511c20e37318b25f42
    https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-fbeb535a107d59cf527e3a1b8f792c5a
    https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6f035b99b11c6524b5c87f76357be522
    It’s not biased if it’s based on facts retard. Literally no Supernova dodged Kizaru’s attacks, attacks confirmed to be Lightspeed,this debunks them being FTL from the getgo and debunks the Pasfscita lasers being Lightspeed as the Supernovas can dodge those but not Kizaru using actual light form. Also shows they noticed him mid light form, they were all suprised when he appeared so that is another debunk.

    https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0c7501b82c7af6c8bed9b7488f10cf7d-pjlq

    Unless you claim Oda is wrong about Kizaru being the fastest in the verse and that you know more about Obseratvion Haki than the guy who made it, you have no argument.


    https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0c7501b82c7af6c8bed9b7488f10cf7d-pjlq
    Oh really faggot then what does this say again? This is literally from the word of god itself, are you saying you know better than the guy who literally created One Piece? He’s considered the top tier in speed and “possibly the fastest in the verse” by One Piece Wiki and Oda himself but lemme guess, you’re one the one right here and i’m wrong?

    In the 2DY One Piece Special canon to the manga, Rayleigh states that no one can move at the speed of Light and only those who mastered Observation Haki can hope to react or dodge lightspeed attacks. This puts a nail in the coffin of any OPtard claiming Pre skip Luffy is even close to Lightspeed. Either i’m lying or you’re the one full of shit.


    https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e5145b974e5bf0bb937d27027e418cc7-pjlq
    It’s repeatedly stated that Observation Haki makes one react to things faster than themselves to a cetrain extent. The only characters who can be argued to move FTL even without Observation haki are Kaido( who bltized Gear 4th Luffy) Whitebeard( who scales to him) and anyone of Yokno level,and of course Gear 5th Luffy, all objectively faster and stronger than Kizaru himself.

    https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0e0eaded26e640109ebd2ad7b2404c4f-pjlq
    BTW Aimdoging isn’t a speed nor counts as legit speed.This is what people call Aimdoging, Aim Dodging refers to the technique of avoiding linear attacks by re-positioning oneself away from the path of the attack before it is fired. The user can avoid linear attacks MUCH FASTER THAN THEMSELVES by simply quickly positioning themselves away from the path of the attack before it is fired.

    People might see this to not be true, but I it funny to find Luffy on the COVER of the aim-dodging page of the powerlisting wiki:
    ( The wiki page image change since the last time i was there thought)

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  25. “ I find it funny that people will easily accept FTL Naruto, Bleach, and even One Punch Man but not One Piece “

    Because all those aforementioned verses have quantifiable FTL feats with no contraindications to scaling or abilities

    https://imgur.com/STZKFd9
    https://imgur.com/STZKFd9
    https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/6/66/277C8442-9F48-43F3-AED5-FACB2EA86F9D.jpeg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/180?cb=20190620203839
    https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/b/bf/95804E59-7A61-42D6-82B3-0ED1A7C3DB41.jpeg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/180?cb=20190620203900

    https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/8/8a/18E9DAFA-44D4-4B8E-9FC0-B7B7E5D00B89.jpeg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/180?cb=20190620205107
    https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/b/bf/Mifunesa.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/392?cb=20190620205801
    https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/e/e6/FA827703-EBBE-4ACE-A830-4D07D2C51FBE.jpeg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/180?cb=20190621122557
    https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/8/8f/E391D104-A1F7-4DC0-8F11-737508ABAC89.jpeg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/180?cb=20190621122621
    https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/a/a2/85CDA65E-D83B-4707-9FAD-E6F00E249E81.jpeg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/180?cb=20190621122643
    In Naruto, The Fourth Raikage is accepted as Lightspeed because MUCH SLOWER characters to Kages can react to Lightning speeds casually and Raikage has dodged actual Light attacks and can survive teleporting at Lightspeed. Kages are Relastvitc because they scale to Tsuande who can survive teleporting at Lightspeed(Abelt it barely and needed regeneration to survive Heavenly Transfer Jutsu/) and Madara in base can casually react to them(Making him FTL in base)you also have Light Novels that have charkaless Adult Naruto dodged Photon Lasers, you have multiple feats of Lightspeed/FTL Naruto characters throughout the war arc. There are ZERO contradictions with the feats here.

    https://imgur.com/a/uOzrT
    https://imgur.com/a/7PlRu

    https://imgur.com/a/uOzrT


    In Bleach, Shunsui fights Lille who is living Light and the Kizaru of the Bleachverse is able to dodge his Light beams and Yhwach in base is MUCH stronger than Shunsui. Yhwach also reacts to Minaigihai who can cross Lunar distances between the Soul King Palace and the Soul Society in a second and spam Light attacks from that distance within a second. Ichigo in True Bankai Horn of Salvation and Yhwach using Almighty+Soul King Powers should easily be much stronger than Shunsui and much faster so MFTL Bleach is plausible and not contradicted by anti feats, lesser feasts or scaling unless you use the CFYOW novel which kinda makes Bleach Peak at Lightspeed.

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  26. Fairy Tail has Too many FTL feats to count, starting with Erza who can Can bltiz Midnight




    Note Midnight can react and bend light so he has Lightspeed reactions. Backed by the fact his abilities can generate mirages to create illusions and function like mirrors.

    Magic in FT fucintons the same as Nature so he’s deflecting natural light.

    Erza has scaling to X791 Dragon Force Sting who should scale to around DF Natsu speed and has explicit Lightspeed attacks

    Unlike One Piece, there’s not a billion powerscaling contradictions that prevent this from being confirmed and there are no contradictions in feats either,.

    https://imgur.com/esYYV8F
    https://imgur.com/7NrYPTH
    The Light we have seen in different record does not show any form of physical human interaction, and can be reflected by reflective material such as blades and ice.

    https://imgur.com/YcLo3i4
    https://imgur.com/HpUZYph
    https://imgur.com/7NrYPTH
    Ranged Light does not explode and goes in a straight line.

    https://imgur.com/7NrYPTH
    https://imgur.com/Xguvz5Z
    Even the (Magic Power) operate surprisingly the same as electromagnetic light, such as with Moon Drip which harvests light/magic energy from the moon to melt ice, it refracts of the ice like real light does, requires zero obstruction of the light beam like real light does, and it harms the human body like UV light does.

    https://imgur.com/8YTW2DO
    Even magical Blades have a reflective properties too as light can reflect off it without any effort.

    https://imgur.com/WlJTpms
    As for the case of other light dodging feats, in Edolas (while not directly said) has devices that would work like flashlight, it flashes like light, does not have pressure and moves in a straight path, even the device the same structure as a flashlight.

    https://imgur.com/Cwwyfdx
    https://imgur.com/HXLrmjd
    this one is iffy but Erza’s Morning Star Armor has an attack which is called Photon Slicer, which would mean that their world has knowledge of photons, and her armor which emits light would have photons as light magic.

    http://www.laurawaller.com/opticsfun/sugarGRINlens.htm
    There have been experiments as to how light lasers are able to bend or curve which are call refractive index or gradient index, which the former is having a constant refractive index and varying shape, and the latter is having a constant shape and a varying refractive index. and example is a Water Tank with water and sugar diluted in it, the laser would curve towards higher density.

    https://imgur.com/3HMlNPF
    https://imgur.com/eoBfrP0
    https://imgur.com/s1SY50x
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_refraction
    And in the manga, it is stated that the atmosphere possesses ethernanos, and ethernanos have properties of all sorts of elements. the Light refracts through the atmosphere which is occupied/filled with particles that all types of elements, both classical and periodic , which would give it a gradient refractive curve. and in reals life, the atmosphere causes refraction the denser the layers get.

    Even as Ethernanoes they still behave as their elements or act like them Even in that state, and compared to regular Lightning.


    His Roar is described as a laser, and it does not explode, as it just pierces through, as Light has energy and “Momentum”, and in some experiments have shown that light can move solid objects.

    https://imgur.com/3aDYoTm

    https://imgur.com/3aDYoTm
    It is not interacted physically like other energy beams have been done before. as it appeared to non-physically curved rather than physically blocked.

    https://imgur.com/R45YVWl
    As we have seen before, Sting like other Dragon Slayers can physically grasp elements that are normally unable to be grasped by real world human hands, even chewing on them, which is particular to their magics as no one else have shown to do.

    https://imgur.com/OWWf4iZ
    https://imgur.com/wLrmxJg
    It is a part of a power that utilizes light from multiple sources.

    https://imgur.com/K3I8Eys
    https://imgur.com/ckJkBOd
    It has heat based qualities as there is smoke from the affected areas and it is stated to have a burning affect.
    Does not explode either.
    Light (光ひかり) is translated as literally “Physically Perceived Light”


    A major feat from her fight in the Avatar Arc was effortlessly one-shotting Jetmore with her new armro faster than he can react.


    To back this point up, here’s her and Kinghtwalker using their fastest attacks .


    Erza is able to react to attacks that even Juvia can’t react.

    And all of this was “In the fucking Past”.

    You can wank Zoro to high heaven on speed( He couldn’t dodge Eneru’s Lightning twice Pre skip and has yet to display Lightspeed feats even in Wano Country) and claim he was FTL since the beginning of the series, by your logic, Lucy from Fairy Tail was FTl from the start and Erza>Lucy, Even if we wank the debunked and overatted Thriller Bark laser feat( Zoro actually got burned by the laser but nevermind that shit) and say his base is 10 times faster timeskip and he can get over 100 times stronger than that, it still wouldn’t hold a candle to Erza’s actual speed feats.

    Erza blitzed Midnight who’s abilities can bend and reflect light giving him up to Lightspeed reaction speed and BTW, that’s not even her fastest armor nor her strongest, it’s a mid tier armor with that level of speed.

    Her fastest armor should be faster than her Photon Slicer Attack which is a literal beam of light that attacks with a photon laser which also can function as a bright light so it’s inaurgably Lightspeed.

    While in this feat that occurs in the edolas arc Erza Knightwalker manages to react and cut through erza photon slicer attack at point blank.


    Her Flight Armor is fast enough to trade blows with Kingthwalker who can react and counter Erza’s Photon Slicer. Note even if we accept the laughably wanked Pasfsctia lasers( which are actually WAY slower than Kizaru who’s only LS BTW) Erza not even trying has Relastvic combat speed and was no diffing Sub Rel Natsu

    She’s fast enough to keep pace with Laxus who can shoot Lightning faster than Natural Lightning with ease, making his lightning bare minimum as fast as the return stroke of Lightning which is 1/3rd the speed of Lightning and Laxus only gets MUCH faster as well as her. Her frist timeskip speed should be superior to Natsu’s who in base was dodging actual Lightspeed attacks from Sting which are confirmed by numerous calcs and sources to be real light and BTW unlike Kizaru, Sting isn’t the top tier of speed in FT so no amount of downplay on your part is going to change that fact, hell you can use Haku as a downplay argument and it wouldn’t change the fact Erza is quantifiably FTL.

    The latter having accepted Sub Relastvic reaction speeds PRE SKIP.

    Erza was dodging that shit easily Pre Skip and she casually bltizes Natsu and Gajeel who can react at said speeds.

    Sting has confirmed Lightspeed attacks that Natsu dodged and Erza>Natsu in power

    https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-396b1268b2da9d5a07d1067f67b225fa-lq
    You also have Pre Series Gildarts dodging actual Light attacks which prelude Erza and Erza should easily scale to a younger Gildarts.

    So yeah even if you severely lowball Erza’s speed, she would be at least Relastvic and again this was with severe Low Balling.

    She also scales in X791 to Pre Skip/Pre Seires Gildarts who has a casual FTL feat back in the Ice trial manga which is canon to the main series and given her base was effortlessly finessing Lightning attacks, it’s safe say her base speed in X791>Her max speed in X784. Her Timeskip speed should easily be 10 times faster in X792 and that’s vast lowballing. Her speed should be faster than Marin Hollow’s teleportation hax that are FTL via Quantum Manipulation and her power should be at least Sppargian level which includes Wal Itchi who has many casual Lightspeed attacks

    Except he does, he doesn’t just have concrete FTL feats but also FTL powerscaling.

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    https://universeconquest.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:CNBA3/Sting%27s_Laser_Speed
    Natsu literally dodged Lasers from Sting, a White Dragon Slayer

    But even ingoring that, you have Sting in base timeskip shooting Light beams confirmed to be actual Light here so even if you ingore the Lucy feats and just go with Stings 1000% confrimed Lightspeed feats, given Dragon Force is a massive 100fold muptiler making you go from getting one shotted by a casual base Erza to being able to overpower and defeat an Erza tier opponent at their full power and Natsu in base was able to beat both dragon slayers while both were at their peak power, just this alone makes Natsu,Sting and Rouge Massively FTL by powerscaling and would still make the Tatatarus arc feat consistent.

    https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/fb861955-059a-4ed0-8927-ef131181116f/df2uwnj-0aafadaf-ae00-4b49-900b-c7986425eab1.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2ZiODYxOTU1LTA1OWEtNGVkMC04OTI3LWVmMTMxMTgxMTE2ZlwvZGYydXduai0wYWFmYWRhZi1hZTAwLTRiNDktOTAwYi1jNzk4NjQyNWVhYjEucG5nIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.gXNhpAHO4G99y_1yqkz9yL8b9m8NLpJnRY5ZKqFCXDM
    This is backed by the lasers being delfected like actual light.

    https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/fb861955-059a-4ed0-8927-ef131181116f/df2v0gt-d12919e9-ae1c-46a6-94de-4463a4385c6d.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2ZiODYxOTU1LTA1OWEtNGVkMC04OTI3LWVmMTMxMTgxMTE2ZlwvZGYydjBndC1kMTI5MTllOS1hZTFjLTQ2YTYtOTRkZS00NDYzYTQzODVjNmQucG5nIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.lU-z9Jcm8ZKSgYqhGsj3pLAug2l4EYaSnC-asFXGjcA
    Hell even if you severely lowball the speed by having Haku in the recent chapter be confrimed the only Lightspeed character prior to that point, Erza is FAR stronger and faster than Wendy’s dragon force which bltizstomped that same Haku so even severely lowballing, Erza is at least Massively FTL by powerscaling alone and Natsu being relative is this fast as well.

    https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/fb861955-059a-4ed0-8927-ef131181116f/df2uvxl-a516b55a-a52b-474d-b2f1-aeeb2a356500.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2ZiODYxOTU1LTA1OWEtNGVkMC04OTI3LWVmMTMxMTgxMTE2ZlwvZGYydXZ4bC1hNTE2YjU1YS1hNTJiLTQ3NGQtYjJmMS1hZWViMmEzNTY1MDAucG5nIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.ubl0dgiN02fw-liq5sMDNNQJIJ0ULpdWFU6y2BOj8KE
    Haku should be no slower than Lacarade who can spam Light attacks and Alaverz Arc Kagura can cut them so fast, she’s leaving afterimages of herself reacting to the light attacks and Current Erza>Alaverz Arc Erza=>Laracade>Kagura and given Four Dragon Slayer Kinghts are Gildarts level, they scale to the Top Sparrigan 12 members who are much stronger than normal sparrigans.

    https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/fb861955-059a-4ed0-8927-ef131181116f/df2uw7r-a7d57ee2-4853-4c77-ae3b-2cea51cc06b9.png/v1/fill/w_894,h_894,q_70,strp/image_by_ironzombie34_df2uw7r-pre.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7ImhlaWdodCI6Ijw9MTI4MCIsInBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2ZiODYxOTU1LTA1OWEtNGVkMC04OTI3LWVmMTMxMTgxMTE2ZlwvZGYydXc3ci1hN2Q1N2VlMi00ODUzLTRjNzctYWUzYi0yY2VhNTFjYzA2YjkucG5nIiwid2lkdGgiOiI8PTEyODAifV1dLCJhdWQiOlsidXJuOnNlcnZpY2U6aW1hZ2Uub3BlcmF0aW9ucyJdfQ.EQHGGwTZzvwXh9z_O-_50CSTRt798dXEFx7i4yHBf5U
    Of which Wal can use actual laser beams which consist of actual Light.

    Eitherway you slice it, Fairy Tail has plenty of actual Lightspeed to FTL feats and even low balling the fuck out the series, the top and god tiers of FT are still Masssively FTL.

    https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/fb861955-059a-4ed0-8927-ef131181116f/df2v0gt-d12919e9-ae1c-46a6-94de-4463a4385c6d.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiL
    CJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2ZiODYxOTU1LTA1OWEtNGVkMC04OTI3LWVmMTMxMTgxMTE2ZlwvZGYydjBndC1kMTI5MTllOS1hZTFjLTQ2YTYtOTRkZS00NDYzYTQzODVjNmQucG5nIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.lU-z9Jcm8ZKSgYqhGsj3pLAug2l4EYaSnC-asFXGjcA
    https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/fb861955-059a-4ed0-8927-ef131181116f/df2uspr-86ca47b3-b667-436f-b60f-52bc8f7f1c5b.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2ZiODYxOTU1LTA1OWEtNGVkMC04OTI3LWVmMTMxMTgxMTE2ZlwvZGYydXNwci04NmNhNDdiMy1iNjY3LTQzNmYtYjYwZi01MmJjOGY3ZjFjNWIucG5nIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.QOmn0JG5x8o1fkDxaJxZTJj4GvMnkMWJtsbfPQUTQrc
    https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/fb861955-059a-4ed0-8927-ef131181116f/df2usqs-f5d9998c-4020-4436-bd76-c04777773116.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2ZiODYxOTU1LTA1OWEtNGVkMC04OTI3LWVmMTMxMTgxMTE2ZlwvZGYydXNxcy1mNWQ5OTk4Yy00MDIwLTQ0MzYtYmQ3Ni1jMDQ3Nzc3NzMxMTYucG5nIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.xpeZN1qbrv1iq3VdkjmaykMU2GC2BFUZTm6lky3hf0o

    Hell even Lucy who’s far weaker than GMG Natsu, a complete rookie and absoulte fodder without her keys Pre skip can dodge Lasers

    Lasers confirmed to be real laser beams as they use Baryon particles which is a wavelength of Light.

    This makes this concerte light speed.

    Unlike most “lasers” in anime

    https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/fb861955-059a-4ed0-8927-ef131181116f/df2uzx6-3d1ccaea-c5ac-45b1-9772-21c49cbfb0c7.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2ZiODYxOTU1LTA1OWEtNGVkMC04OTI3LWVmMTMxMTgxMTE2ZlwvZGYydXp4Ni0zZDFjY2FlYS1jNWFjLTQ1YjEtOTc3Mi0yMWM0OWNiZmIwYzcucG5nIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.tBxq3s1aKMt3lPZB8cX870MUbxuk_OymRaureQ7tb2M
    Especially the Passifcsta Lasers



    One Piece where the Passficta lasers depsite being Kizaru’s element are nowhere near as fast as Kizaru and Kizaru is basically a god tier in speed which by default debunks any FTL One Piece claims unless proven otherwise.

    Unlike One Piece,THERE IS ZERO CONTRADICTIONS IN THESE FEATS.


    A heavily suppressed Gajeel if anything backs this as he lowered his power level so some fodder ass mages can beat him up and depsite taking a beating was still able to react to a casual Lightning blast from Laxus who uses real lightning in his attacks, VSBW did an excellent calc on this putting the speed at 2% the speed of Light and Sub Realstvic and this was with a Heavily supresssed, faiguted Gajeel who purposely weakened himself to atone for his sins in previous arcs against Fairy Tail. It’s safe to assume Base Gajeel is way faster than Lucy without celestial sprit keys.

    https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/fb861955-059a-4ed0-8927-ef131181116f/df2uvn4-d08ad2a5-8149-46f3-acd2-9874a5cb9fc0.png/v1/fill/w_900,h_496,q_80,strp/image_by_ironzombie34_df2uvn4-fullview.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7ImhlaWdodCI6Ijw9NDk2IiwicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvZmI4NjE5NTUtMDU5YS00ZWQwLTg5MjctZWYxMzExODExMTZmXC9kZjJ1dm40LWQwOGFkMmE1LTgxNDktNDZmMy1hY2QyLTk4NzRhNWNiOWZjMC5wbmciLCJ3aWR0aCI6Ijw9OTAwIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmltYWdlLm9wZXJhdGlvbnMiXX0.SfUm5RM3CiPLPTu4GVGFf0-HxhN-zjS_mTbMhHSpxlA

    This is further backed by several arcs previously, he can react to Loki’s attacks which should be relative to Biscklow’s lasers which is actual Light

    https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/fb861955-059a-4ed0-8927-ef131181116f/df2ux0c-300f1f4c-ef76-4e45-9e2d-d130c8020fdd.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2ZiODYxOTU1LTA1OWEtNGVkMC04OTI3LWVmMTMxMTgxMTE2ZlwvZGYydXgwYy0zMDBmMWY0Yy1lZjc2LTRlNDUtOWUyZC1kMTMwYzgwMjBmZGQucG5nIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.M3G4wjDq18qwHc2_026xzPqdRg4KWkBbhMZ1JrU_W08
    There’s no debating this feat is concrete lightspeed, not only does it match the name of the attacks, the lasers move in a straight line, they can be delfected as opposed to being held back tangibily.

    https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/fb861955-059a-4ed0-8927-ef131181116f/df2ux0c-300f1f4c-ef76-4e45-9e2d-d130c8020fdd.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2ZiODYxOTU1LTA1OWEtNGVkMC04OTI3LWVmMTMxMTgxMTE2ZlwvZGYydXgwYy0zMDBmMWY0Yy1lZjc2LTRlNDUtOWUyZC1kMTMwYzgwMjBmZGQucG5nIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.M3G4wjDq18qwHc2_026xzPqdRg4KWkBbhMZ1JrU_W08
    and Magic in Fairy Tail is no different from natural elements in real life .

    https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/fb861955-059a-4ed0-8927-ef131181116f/df2v0ct-fc3e8afd-dea1-4b97-a9ca-23f546fa0c79.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2ZiODYxOTU1LTA1OWEtNGVkMC04OTI3LWVmMTMxMTgxMTE2ZlwvZGYydjBjdC1mYzNlOGFmZC1kZWExLTRiOTctYTljYS0yM2Y1NDZmYTBjNzkucG5nIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.7UfYSpqb0Ze2vhbqdi0yK1fk-rWyUmdTQ1X-cDOOIio
    Consistent with characters like Hades reacting to Light attacks from Marakov

    https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/fb861955-059a-4ed0-8927-ef131181116f/df2uw14-8409e8d3-013f-48ee-a850-ce488d1bf193.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2ZiODYxOTU1LTA1OWEtNGVkMC04OTI3LWVmMTMxMTgxMTE2ZlwvZGYydXcxNC04NDA5ZThkMy0wMTNmLTQ4ZWUtYTg1MC1jZTQ4OGQxYmYxOTMucG5nIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.xvhMNo7trf3Ic6G1PLGoCExKT6nqjnJKwYnGngl06dg
    And Gildarts at a notably younger and much weaker state reacting to Lasers casually.

    https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/fb861955-059a-4ed0-8927-ef131181116f/df2uwbw-f6acd7a5-0cd5-443e-8a7c-e8776c4bd42a.png?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcL2ZiODYxOTU1LTA1OWEtNGVkMC04OTI3LWVmMTMxMTgxMTE2ZlwvZGYydXdidy1mNmFjZDdhNS0wY2Q1LTQ0M2UtOGE3Yy1lODc3NmM0YmQ0MmEucG5nIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.HVT-KqFif7vQCB8aLFm81swaOPgOrNB1X6K5tVAbdEg

    And Erza having an actual Photon laser beam attack with her Light armor.



    confirmed to work like actual light much later on.

    https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/fb861955-059a-4ed0-8927-ef131181116f/df2ux8n-285166d6-fde9-4687-b4ba-f85354dbc1b2.png/v1/fill/w_910,h_704,q_80,strp/image_by_ironzombie34_df2ux8n-fullview.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7ImhlaWdodCI6Ijw9NzA0IiwicGF0aCI6IlwvZlwvZmI4NjE5NTUtMDU5YS00ZWQwLTg5MjctZWYxMzExODExMTZmXC9kZjJ1eDhuLTI4NTE2NmQ2LWZkZTktNDY4Ny1iNGJhLWY4NTM1NGRiYzFiMi5wbmciLCJ3aWR0aCI6Ijw9OTEwIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmltYWdlLm9wZXJhdGlvbnMiXX0.0EzRy9mzSg2MXwazKgcvPeRMC_KKinyuK7wrtro3vHs
    Even VS Battle Wiki has Fariy Tail God tiers at least Massively FTl via powerscalingAnd they’re know for downplaying verses they don’t like.

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    https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/c/c7/Atomicsamschsasd.png/revision/latest?cb=20220306162912
    https://imgur.com/a/YTLuR
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    https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/4/4d/Atomicsamsch.png/revision/latest?cb=20220306162932

    https://imgur.com/fFFRISi
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    https://streamable.com/ae2oh
    https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/f/f1/Pluctones.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/310?cb=20200311002629
    https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/7/70/Plutokes.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/310?cb=20200311002912
    https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/4/45/Saitomes_2.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20200310235909
    https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/3/3b/PSYKOS_OCEAN_REDO.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20200708171301
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    One Punch Man literally has Saitama casually crossing the Moon to earth in seconds, numboerus feats proving FTL One Punch Man, and Saitama currently has Massively FTL concrete speed and powerscaling such as dodging very fast rocks from ftl characters while under gravity, characters cutting beams that can split continents in half instantly,Saitama seeing the back of his head relefeciton with raw speed, Saitama moving so fast he was creating omidrecitonal afterimages each fast enough to cross entire planets in nanoseconds and casually outscales lightspeed characters, FTL feats are common amongst S Class heros.

    https://imgur.com/4y9glvQ?r
    One Piece on the other hand has only Kizaru who has confirmed Lightspeed abilties and Lightspeed speed and reactions and has numerous times stated dodging Light is not possible without Observation Haki which every top tier in One Piece knows.Every peace of lore, narrative, powerscaling and feats point to Kizaru being the fastest known character in One Piece. Any feat below Kizaru is objectivtely slower than Light and only characters like the Yonkos, Admirals and

    “even though there is way more proof of FTL in it than those series. OP is the most downplayed of the HST as well which feeds into this denial.”

    Most downplayed? Bro it’s the most wanked of the HST when it comes to speed feats, Bleach being the most wanked overall verse in VS Battle communties. You OPtards use nothing but contradictions and Outliers to argue your narrative when narrative, lore, feats and scaling objectively make One Piece peak at Lightspeed.

    https://imgur.com/a/KOImP
    https://imgur.com/a/djyJw

    Anyone can wank any “Laser dodging” feat to their characters being FTL. Need I explain how Bleachtards wank the Neagicon feat which puts Vice Captains at FTL speeds? By their logic and by your logic, TB Ichigo and Almighty Soul King Yhwach would be easily Quintillions of times Lightspeed and WAY faster than even wanked OP MFTL+ speed which at best peaks at Quadrillions of times Lightspeed which is FAR slower than wanked Bleach. So massively wanked Bleach speed>Massively wanked One Piece speed.

    https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-cb705414460dc167173694c837f4c9a3-lq
    https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d85b6bf5f418f61e7033ec581cab48d8-lq

    Of course anyone with a brain knows no Bleach character is Lightspeed or faster until Shunsui uses Bankai as Gin can blitz most Captains who are far faster than Vice Captains with his Mach 500 Bankai which completely contradicts the scaling of Bleach wank claiming Vice Captains are FTL.


    https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/d/d9/0617-007.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/400?cb=20190620235218

    Naruto also has plenty of “Lightspeed “ feats from complete and utter fodder. Fodder Shinobi can use Storm Laser Circus which is stated to be the speed of Light. Fodder shinobi are hundreds of times slower and weaker than Jounin level Shinobi as the Sound Four needed a combined 100 times muptiler in power just to beat Low tier Jounin/Special Jounin .

    Haku who’s above Kakashi and Zazuba who are far stronger than average Jounins can move at “Lightspeed” and Naruto would be easily Immeasurable by your logic and Narutard logic if we go by this scaling , especially since Minato can move in time-space which makes him immeasurable speed wise and characters WAY stronger than that outspeed Minato, do i even need to explain how this is all massive wank? Unless you think Haku is comparable to the Raikage and people FAR below the Raikage can survive Mabui’s Heavenly Transfer Jutsu, MFTL Fodder is just comical levels of wank.

    Stay mad One Piece peaks at Lightspeed, until you can prove anyone is faster than Kizaru in OP, your verse peaks at Lightspeed.

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